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How many of you are actually prophetic?

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure that's me being quoted. Unfortunately I don't think genuinely wanting revolution and being capable of SA are mutually exclusive.

[-] GoebbelsDeezNuts@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Sorry this wasn't a dunk on you, I even brought it up because I myself was on the fence about Brand.

I just thought it was funny

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

I still think the same way about his whole shtick tbh. Just that these accusations are also very believable unfortunately.

[-] GoebbelsDeezNuts@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I dunno I kinda feel like he was grifting but who knows. part of me just thinks: show me someone who commits a SA and I will show you someone who isn't a revolutionary leftist but idk

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

show me someone who commits a SA and I will show you someone who isn't a revolutionary leftist but idk

I think some of Stalin's allegations make this a difficult position to maintain.

[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

those allegations are so baseless even the anti-tankie crowd doesnt mention it much. could it have happened? sure. but the evidence is shaky at best and rests on one historians word, Simon Sebag Montefiore. Plus Kruschev was on an anti-Stalin speedrun.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

I know this is such a lib line, but the validity doesn't matter to her point. I think Stalin probably didn't do it, but in the future there certainly will be some important revolutionaries who commit SA because that's something that, sadly, people in positions of power do that with alarming frequency. We're gonna have to figure out how to reconcile that very effective revolutionaries can sometimes be terrible people.

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

protecting abusers in the name of the revolution is doing the work of the feds for them. no single person is so important that it's worth protecting them while jeopardizing the whole movement - it's precisely our urge to protect abusers that feds use to infiltrate, divide, and destroy.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

You're right, if we're talking about active people then yes, we gotta root out abusers. I was thinking more in cases where it's uncovered afterward, but didn't qualify it in my comment.

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

ahh got it. that makes more sense.

[-] Helmic@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

It's a nice sentiment that'll blind us to reality. What will actually differentiate us from our enemies is how we will respond when leftists do it. I don't care if he says the right things.

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