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[–] tomiant@piefed.social 27 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

You vote left because you want the best for the general good of society, you vote right because you want what's best for yourself, in particular.

[–] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 14 points 3 hours ago

Plenty of people also vote right based on hate and fear. They'll vote against there own best interests because of hate and fear.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 hours ago

They vote right because cable news told them it's best for themselves. It's not.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You vote right because you want the people you don't like to suffer.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I don't believe this. People may have multiple agendas. They may hate foreigners or cultures, but people's allegiances are always first and foremost to their own, to keep living in the most comfortable way they can with the lowest possible eftort. It's kind of game theoretical in some sense.

Game theory occupies itself with the adversary roles of generosity (a moral principle) and calculation (a purely rational one), and in some way you could say that in a system which only allows one of two outcomes, a lot of assumptions are subsumed under those two separate outcomes.

What if Candidate A is for lower taxes, higher immigration and Candidate B is for higher taxes and lower immigration?

What if both candidates agree on lower taxes and lower immigration, but one of them also proposes reinstating slavery, and the other one wants none of it but instead mandatory abortions?

In a two party state you don't get enough fine grained resolution to deal with problems that require any complexity beyond perfectly white and perfectly black.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I guess you missed the "He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting" thing the other year.

They're not nice people. They will vote for the leopard and act surprised when it comes for them.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 2 points 1 hour ago

Maybe I'm overthinking it. Maybe they just dumb.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 24 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

The sad thing is, that's not even true.

Most poor world be better off under left wing ideals, yet they vote right wing anyway because they're scared that brown people will steal their crumbs.

[–] Cliff@lemmy.world 13 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

(But actually that guy in the middle doesn't just have this plate full of cookies. He owns a huge vessel full of cookies)

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 3 points 3 hours ago

It is true for the general disposition. Do you vote in your own interests vs do you vote in the general best interest. Your motivations may be malicious or incompetent, a two party system doesn't discern.

[–] Denvil@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

But rich white men stealing their crumbs is fine because they aren't brown

Better than than Jose over there, a hard working fine gentleman, getting his needs met

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 hours ago

The funny bit is that sometimes José too is a conservative, which is how you see plenty of immigrants doing the whole "pull the ladder up once you're in" and voting rightwing.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago
[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

But rich white men stealing their crumbs is fine because they don't realize it's happening

ftfy