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I MAY be alone on this but i think this whole “Signalgate” thing is a psyop made to make the app look bad and have the government look into it or shut it down (hexbear.net)

submitted 3 days ago by NoahFuel@hexbear.net to c/technology@hexbear.net

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Think about it: A privacy‑focused app the government dislikes used by activists and dissidents gets dragged into a scandal it didn’t technically cause and that scandal becomes political justification for scrutiny and possible investigation

When something protects privacy, shields activists, can’t be surveilled, and is widely used by people the government considers “enemies,”

then any incident, especially a dumb mistake by a public figure becomes an opportunity to push the narrative that "its bad"

Hegseth literally invited a journalist into a private Signal group. The app didn’t leak. He did.

But the public takeaway is shaping up to be:

“Signal is unsafe.”

Activists, dissidents, and “uenemies” use Signal heavily. When an app becomes central to organizing or communication for groups the government dislikes, it moves up the target list.

TL:DR, “This scandal feels like it’s being weaponized to smear Signal and justify government pressure

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[–] someone@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Personally I don't think that Signal is unsafe now, but the key people involved in its development are all within easy reach of the US government. Historically they've also been hostile to distributing the app anywhere but Google and Apple's official app stores, and of course both of those companies are likewise within easy reach of the US government.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The things you mentioned make the app less than safe. Also:

you must sign up with a phone number
messages are e2ee, but server admins can see message metadata. You can make a lot of progress if you can see who is associating with who. You might even get access to their messages later on if you can get into their device.
app admins have been weird/disabled the ability to roll your own server

Your message content may be e2ee, but there's still a good amount of useful info that US authorities can access.

[–] iByteABit@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You might even get access to their messages later on if you can get into their device.

I agree with the rest, but this one seems kind of pointless. If an attacker has gained access to my device, it doesn't matter at all how secure my software is, if it's usable by me then it's also usable by the intruder.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

This is true, and also depends on your threat model. My point was if you're doing some very cool stuff that's going to be investigated by a US aligned government, it's worth thinking beyond the message content when it comes to opsec.

[–] Inui@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You don't have to use a phone number anymore, it just makes it more convenient since then your contacts will automatically show up and such.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Appreciate the updated info!

[–] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That's wrong, you still need to sign up with a phone number, it's just that you can now choose to be discoverable only by a username rather than allowing others to find you by phone number.

[–] spectre@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

Appreciate the updated info!

[–] Inui@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago

Thanks for the correction, I already had an account set up and thought you could sign up with just a username now.