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I can't vouch for the author at all, but this seems like a nice detailed, technical look at the difference between the two.

TL;DR the 212CD is very good at what in biology would be called "sit and wait predation". It's designed to sneak into an ocean floor crevice and hang out there, possibly for for weeks until something comes by, and then attack it. The Hanwha offering, on the other hand, is less superlatively stealthy and maneuverable, but is much more flexible, allowing missile launches and likely having a much longer range.

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[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 0 points 50 minutes ago (1 children)

It’s not like trolling. I’m asking you a legitimate question and you keep copying and pasting bullshit. Answer with your own words.

If Ukraine got a nuclear weapon and Russia continued to do what it’s doing without using your nuclear weapons, what do you think Ukraine should do about it?

Answer with your own words otherwise you are the fucking troll

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 1 points 33 minutes ago* (last edited 4 minutes ago) (1 children)

Fuck off. My words would explain MAD, just like wikipedia did, but I'm too lazy to rewrite wikipedia for someone who has the knowledge of a child and an allergy to reading.

Edit:

If Ukraine got a nuclear weapon and Russia continued to do what it’s doing without using your nuclear weapons.

Stop being ignorant. If Ukraine had nukes, Russia would never had invaded. Your scenario is preposterous and you appear oblivious to even rudimentary geopolitics or military theory. Litteral 12 yo children get this. Why don't you?

[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 0 points 29 minutes ago (1 children)

OK, so you’re not actually willing to use your own words in a conversation and you have resorted to childishness. OK well… I don’t think that you should be deciding whether or not someone should have a nuclear weapon.

[–] TJDetweiler@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 minutes ago (1 children)

This is coming off as deliberately obtuse.

If you have a nuke, and someone wants to take your shit or kill you, they will be deterred from doing so. Will anyone ever use a nuke in this situation? Who knows, but it would probably cause a world war. Millions, if not billions could die. Governments could collapse. Entire species could be wiped out. The results are nearly unfathomable. I don't think anyone wants to be the cause of that.

If Ukraine nuked Russia, or vice versa, it would likely result in the destruction of both countries regardless of who the nuke hit, hence the previous commenters wiki link to mutually assured destruction.

It's uncharted territory for humanity, and no one wants to fuck around a find out.

[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 1 points 4 minutes ago

It’s not obtuse it’s a direct question

If a nuclear weapon was given to Ukraine, and Russia called bullshit, and continued to fight Ukraine… What do you think Ukraine should do?

It is a simple fucking question you are just too afraid to answer it.