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I can't vouch for the author at all, but this seems like a nice detailed, technical look at the difference between the two.

TL;DR the 212CD is very good at what in biology would be called "sit and wait predation". It's designed to sneak into an ocean floor crevice and hang out there, possibly for for weeks until something comes by, and then attack it. The Hanwha offering, on the other hand, is less superlatively stealthy and maneuverable, but is much more flexible, allowing missile launches and likely having a much longer range.

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[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

You’re definitely being deliberately obtuse. Maybe even sealioning. Ukraine being given nukes after Russia invaded is a totally different thing.

As the other poster said if Ukraine had nukes Russia would not have invaded in the first place.

[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe -1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

I’m not being obtuse. It’s a direct fucking question. If Ukraine had nukes, and Russia decided to say we don’t give a fuck what you have, we’re gonna invade you anyway… What Do you personally think Ukraine should do with that nuke? You just know that if you actually answer the question you’re going to lose any argument you make.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Your problem is the question has already been answered twice. You apparently aren't capable of understanding, so maybe talk less and read wikipedia more.

[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I am not interested in what Wikipedia has to say, I am interested in what you have to say. The answers are Ukraine does nothing or Ukraine fires a nuke. Which one is it?

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 0 points 2 hours ago

Exactly, Because answering it would mean you would have to admit that this mutually assured destruction is not actually assured, and then you would have to choose whether or not to nuke something. If you nuke something, then you’re a bad person and if you don’t nuke something then what was the point of them having nukes to begin with?

It’s disappointing that you have so many opinions and so little desire to back any of them up with rational conversation.

[–] mholiv@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Here is another article you won’t read. It’s mostly for the benefit of those who might wonder what’s going on here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 0 points 1 hour ago

I can see that you don’t understand what sealioning is Even though you posted a link to it. I’m not asking for any evidence, which is the requirement for the word.

relentless requests for evidence,

I’m not asking for evidence. I’m asking for a person to provide an opinion about what would happen if a thing happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewalling