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Trump says he will ‘permanently pause’ migration from ‘third world countries’ after national guard shooting (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

prove that it isn't the worst. Saying it is is nothing more than childish hyperbole.

Who said that? I didn't so I don't know what you're on about here.

Yes, it does.

For someone who just insisted Third World means nothing outside of the Cold War you are very certain (again) that you are exactly right about its meaning.

The US has a stable democracy

How many of its citizens believe election fraud happened or was attempted in the 2020 election? The 2024 election? How many believe there won't be any attempts at election fraud in 2028? Citizens that do not trust their democratic process is evidence of that democracy not being stable.

How much has the current government ignored trade deals that they have signed? How much flip flopping has happened without warning in regards to tariffs? Have these changes happened through the proper channels from the appropriate branches of government?

How many stories have their been in the past couple months of the government taking actions that its own courts call rule as illegal, and the government continues to do it anyway defying court orders?

If you think all of this sounds "stable" maybe you shouldn't be lecturing people on the definition of words.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Who said that? I didn’t so I don’t know what you’re on about here.

What I'm on about is people thinking the US is an underdeveloped country. That it's "third world". Whether or not you think the country is immoral, the fact that it's developed doesn't change.

For someone who just insisted Third World means nothing outside of the Cold War you are very certain (again) that you are exactly right about its meaning.

I suggest you reread my original comment because I said NOTHING of sort. I said both what it meant then and what it means now. It's very clear in my comment. I said the meaning changed.

How many of its citizens believe election fraud happened or was attempted in the 2020 election? The 2024 election? How many believe there won’t be any attempts at election fraud in 2028? Citizens that do not trust their democratic process is evidence of that democracy not being stable.

Yeah well 150 - 160 million of them vote every time and despite Trump's nonsense, the electoral victors are taking office and those ones who lost have left office, including Trump in 2020. 202 was the first time anyone tried pulling the shit Trump pulled. In 2024, it's a handful of idiots on the internet. We just had a series of elections Democrats won. Your argument that there is no democracy going on is an absolute farce.

How much has the current government ignored trade deals that they have signed? How much flip flopping has happened without warning in regards to tariffs? Have these changes happened through the proper channels from the appropriate branches of government?

Did you forget what your argument is or something? These are all separate issues that have nothing to do with the electoral process.

How many stories have their been in the past couple months of the government taking actions that its own courts call rule as illegal, and the government continues to do it anyway defying court orders?

I've seen one, recently. And haven't looked at it too closely. Otherwise, they have followed court orders, including retuning Brega Garcia. Why don't you answer one of your own questions for once and tell us about all the times the government has defied court orders?

If you think all of this sounds “stable” maybe you shouldn’t be lecturing people on the definition of words.

Barely any of your points even touch on democracy, which is people electing government representatives. Which has and continues to happen in the US. Elections are happening the results are being respected. That's indisputable. No matter how much anti-American bigotry you maintain, that fact does not change.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I suggest you reread my original comment because I said NOTHING of sort. I said both what it meant then and what it means now.

How exactly is saying "both what it meant then and what it means now" not you being very certain that you are exactly right about its meaning?

Also, people who live in glass houses...:

Whether or not you think the country is immoral

I suggest you reread my original comment because I said NOTHING of sort

What I’m on about is people thinking the US is an underdeveloped country.

I suggest you reread my original comment because I said NOTHING of sort

Your argument that there is no democracy going on is an absolute farce.

I suggest you reread my original comment because I said NOTHING of sort

My argument is that it's unstable not non-existant.

These are all separate issues that have nothing to do with the electoral process.

They all have to do with the stability of a democracy. People being able to put a mark on a piece of paper is not sufficient to be a democracy. Unless you think Russia is a stable Democracy and Putin just naturally keeps winning with 95% of the vote?

I’ve seen one, recently. And haven’t looked at it too closely.

Well at least you're admitting that you aren't very aware of the situation and not paying too much attention to things. Given that by your own admission you aren't paying attention, maybe you shouldn't be speaking so authoritatively about it.

Why don’t you answer one of your own questions for once and tell us about all the times the government has defied court orders?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-federal-court-ruling-ignore-b2792939.html

In an analysis of 165 court orders filed against the Trump administration, the Washington Post found that it was accused of resisting court orders in at least 57 of those cases – approximately 34 percent.

The situation has been made more concerning by the fact that the Supreme Court has continued to allow the administration to seemingly circumvent court orders without ramifications.

Here's one I came across after I posted my previous comment:
https://apnews.com/article/babson-student-deported-thanksgiving-467393d8d9b9ae6351f99de7b9cbfb98

A college freshman trying to fly from Boston to Texas to surprise her family for Thanksgiving was instead deported to Honduras in violation of a court order

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-criminal-contempt-alien-enemies-act-b2734518.html

Probable cause exists to hold administration in contempt for deliberately disregarding court orders to turn planes around, judge rules

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kilmar-abrego-garcia-whistleblower-cecot-el-salvador-return-b2786678.html

After spending several weeks battling court orders from federal judges and the Supreme Court to “facilitate” his return, the administration abruptly returned Abrego Garcia in June

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/boasberg-hearing-trump-deportation-flights-b2719635.html

Trump and his allies have threatened to impeach Judge James Boasberg after he temporarily blocked the administration from deporting immigrants under the Alien Enemies Act and questioned whether the government intentionally defied his court orders to turn planes around before they emptied out dozens of people into a prison in El Salvador last week.

No matter how much anti-American bigotry you maintain

Pointing out problems is not bigotry.