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True. But I don't think they have much of a choice. Just a little guy caught between two bullies, China and the USA. Not sure which is better to side with for them. If they give up to China they basically lose their independence.
Western liberals used to maintain that The West was noble and virtuous in order to maintain it's ongoing domination of the world. Once it became too hard to do that anymore without looking ridiculous, they simply shifted to asserting that all of the West's enemies are just as bad or worse.
Rules based world order? Rules for thee, not mee apparently. The Ukraine War is the official end of nuclear non proliferation. Get nukes or get fucked.
The ROC doesn't want independence, they claim that the mainland belongs to them, essentially they share the same posture, there is one China, it's just a difference of who rules. The bourgeoisie, or the proletariat.
No one should rule. The working class should discard the artifical borders dividing us against ourselves.
Eventually, sure. But we're not at a place politically where that is feasible or even desirable.
They aren’t caught between anything. Taiwan is very much aligned with western imperial countries. It’s basically an island that all the wealthy capitalists ran away to after China imposed economic democracy. They love America and America loves them.
I think you're thinking of Singapore (or Switzerland, or the UAE).
They are not thinking of those places, but it is kind of helpful of you to point out other countries where the US empire has repeated the same strategy
US empire and wealthy capitalists aren't the same thing, although their interests sometimes align.
All the billionaires in Taiwan are Taiwanese.
Wealthy capitalists, if they're not based in the US, have moved to those places, not to Taiwan.
Genuinely, without snark, check out the term comprador
I don't get the point you're trying to make.
I said the wealthy capitalists went to not!Taiwan because the billionaires in Taiwan were already there.
Who is or is not a comprador has nothing to do with where wealthy capitalists relocate.
Then you're trying very hard not to get it. Try harder, I believe in you👍
"Vichy France isn't part of the Nazi empire, because it's French"
I was saying that the billionaires were not moving to the island of Taiwan.
You're talking about US Empire, which, as mentioned in my other responses in this thread, is irrelevant to the physical movements of billionaires.
Even if Taiwan declared itself to be US Empire island #76, it would not change the fact that billionaires did not move to the island of Taiwan.
Man, you really are a dishonest little troll aren't you: "oh I was just saying this thing completely unrelated to the topic at hand. Oh, you thought I had a point? Nope, just making random statements for no reason."
Fuck off
This was the statement I was responding to:
Here was my response :
Where was what I said dishonest or irrelevant?
Edit: reorganized for legibility
They obviously meant the wealthy capitalists from China I think it's pretty clear that you're playing dumb on purpose.
Are you talking about this part? If so, what I was saying was that billionaires moved to either the US or the three countries I mentioned.
That means the billionaires from China also did not move to Taiwan.
You can also look at the wiki for Taiwan's billionaires. Only one was born in China and not Taiwan (Hong Kong, specifically), and I'm pretty sure he moved to Taiwan way before the events we're taking about in this thread.
Lol, I thought you were blocking me, you coward. Felt you needed to get the last word in first?
USA has something like 800 army bases located outside the USA. No other country has even 1 I believe. South Korea is another country that is essentially a US proxy state.
China has a naval one in Djibouti.
I was talking about the wealthy capitalists
You mean they imposed economic dictatorship where capitalist own businesses and decide how they operate in autocratic manner. Economic democracy would be literally the opposite of capitalism where you have publicly owned industry and worker cooperatives where workers are able to exercise democratic control.
My bad. I see what you mean now.
I think I see what you mean about Taiwan as a proxy state for the US.
I don't think they see themselves as that, but they do basically owe their continued independence from China to the fact that the US values them as a pawn in the battle for global power.
What if the USA backstab them like it did with Ukrqine under Trump?