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Sorry for the reddit-logo link but this isn't really picked up anywhere else. Predictably, the same disgusting people (referring to H3, Destiny, etc) who spread the dubious "Hasan shocked his dog" stuff don't care about this one, so it isn't all over the internet.

I'm not posting this to own everyone who said they like Hasan, but I do think it's an important thing to point out to any fans of his on this site that animal rights have always been a huge weak point for him. I'm a casual watcher who was tuning in for the China adventures, but im-vegan so after the Panda zoo and this, I'm out for good.

Horse racing is such an obviously gross and abusive sport to anyone with sight to see it, so it's annoying seeing how many people (though admittedly in collapsed comments) in his community just don't care at all. Beyond the comments there, but in his chat in real time any time animal rights or veganism are mentioned.

Tangentially related, but freeze-gamers here should recognize that gacha slop like Uma Musume also funds horse racing (the franchise is basically PR for the Japan Racing Association) and is only a small separation from betting at the track. It was obnoxious seeing the wave of people talking about it at launch and seeing it plastered all over gaming sites, Steam, etc. Most people probably don't think twice about it because horse girls in anime just 'makes sense' in a vacuum, but I want to bring more attention to the cruel industry by using that franchise and Hasan as a springboard.

Please educate your favorite streamer, celebrity, or whoever so they don't use their platforms to promote animal abuse.

Edit: lmao their mods locked the thread that was significantly more supportive of the idea that races are abuse.

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[–] Bob_Odenkirk@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

China has One Country, Two Systems. They allow racing and gambling because they allow HK to be autonomous, for better or worse. It’s illegal on the mainland.

What is Hassan’s excuse?

[–] dead@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Horse Racing is culturally significant to Hong Kong. I've noticed that it is culturally significant in Hong Kong films that I've watched.

Hasan didn't go to Horse Racing because he wanted to win big or something. He went there because it is culturally significant to Hong Kong and he wanted to show westerners the real China. He streamed being at the Horse Race. It was his last day in China. He bet 1 time and won by coincidence.

He also went to a Traditional Chinese Medicine doctor on another day. He said that he doesn't believe in Chinese Medicine and he was afraid to try it. He went to it because he wanted to show Chinese culture and the Doctor was very happy to host them.

The post is written as if Hasan set up his own Horse Race Park. Gambling is a material relationship between 2 or more people. It doesn't make sense to only criticize 1 person.

Zoo Pandas are also culturally significant to China. China owns the Pandas in zoos around the world through a leasing system. The OP criticizes Hasan for visiting Pandas at a Zoo. It makes me wonder if they are opposed China's Panda Diplomacy policy.

It's not a trick question. They could just say "Yes" or "No".

[–] JustSo@hexbear.net 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why is it culturally significant?

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Starting horse races was basically the first thing the British did after colonizing Hong Kong. And for the first 70 years or so only colonizers were allowed in. Cultural relevants my ass.

[–] JustSo@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Exactly.

Even if were somehow intrinsic to 'the culture' of Hong Kong, are we complete cultural relativists? Can we say nothing about bull baiting, dog fights, cock fights, ritual non-consenting mutilation, etc?

It's cowardly and intellectually bankrupt to defer to cultural tradition.

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] JustSo@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

If herding horses is you countries number 1 occupation you can put small children on horses for races from time to time.

[–] Leegh@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean, it’s really only significant because the British colonizers introduced it. Beyond that it doesn’t actually have much importance in HK society. HK films only had it to appeal to Western audiences. This is a bit anecdotal but I come from a family of Hong Kong Chinese and I do not know anyone who ever engaged in Horse Racing while they lived there. If anything it was something almost exclusively enjoyed by White people until the late 20th century.

Furthermore, there are plenty of other sports that are played and enjoyed by many Hong Kongers that don’t involve animal abuse: Golf, Tennis/ Badminton, Football, hell even Pool are quite popular there. The HK government earlier this year finished building a huge shiny stadium in Kai Tak that was designed for all sorts of sporting events besides Horse Racing. It was also recently used for this year’s China National Games, which HK co-hosted alongside Macao and Guangzhou. Why didn’t Hasan show any of that off instead?

So, I think it’s a bit disingenuous to defer to “cultural significance” when criticizing an American-brained streamer for not being at least a bit sensitive to animal rights in a foreign country. I also don’t think OP was saying Panda diplomacy is wrong but is simply apprehensive to the idea of animals being caged in unnatural enclosures for entertainment. Yes zoos can abuse animals too and yes China has zoos, but so does every other country in the world.

[–] Bob_Odenkirk@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The point is that it’s HK, which people here are generally happy to critique for a whole variety of reasons, and not ‘China’.

[–] dead@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

Mainland China is opposed to the gambling aspect, not the horse sport aspect. Horse-related sports are permitted on the mainland, just not betting on them. The OP doesn't even criticize the gambling aspect.

[–] Bob_Odenkirk@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That said I’ve also gambled on the races in HK, so not really my place to criticise.