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Because they stand to lose a shit ton of money?
yes
oat milk is an alright substitute, helped by being cheap
oat ice cream has a slightly different texture and flavor, though its harder to notice in the Ben & Jerry's
But oat butter is indistinguishable from cow butter
It's twice as expensive here :(
Cow milk has economy of scale and subsidies on its side, milk alternatives would be cheaper given an equal playing field
And imagine if any of those subsidies hit the alternatives!
That would be SOCIALISM
If there's one thing I hate it's when other people have their basic necessities fulfilled.
Even then, oat milk could be sold cheaper than real milk. But they know their target customer is willing to pay a premium for a plant based product
Does anyone remember margarine? It’s mostly as good as any other butter, was historically much cheaper, and actually better in things like butter cream frosting (makes it lighter and fluffier).
My wife has developed an allergy to dairy in the last 5 years and all these alternative butters are ridiculously overpriced, but many of them seem to just be margarine with vegan butter branding Some of them like Miyokos are kinda terrible sometimes, or smell like fish oil when heated in a pan.
Remember? Why would people forget about it?
Is it rare where you're from? Here in Australia, I consider margarine the norm. To the point that if I say I'm having "vegemite and butter" or "jam and butter" on bread/toast, I expect people will know that I actually mean margarine, not butter. In any context other than baking, in fact, I'd expect "butter" to actually mean margarine.
I've been exclusively using margarine with butter aroma for years, that stuff is pretty good. Not sure if that aroma would trigger a dairy allergy or if it's actually vegan, though.
It’s like an acid response for her that causes her throat to swell. Not quite an allergy but feels similar to one i guess (she has a strong pine nuts allergy that she carries an EpiPen for).
do you have a favorite brand of margarine for popcorn? we have a friend who recently became lactose intolerant and i still want to be able to make her good popcorn when she and hers are over.
Melt brand vegan butter is decent, though it’s pretty much just margarine from memory. Or I think the Trader Joe’s brand too, but I haven’t been there in a while so I’m not sure.
They do make the popcorn a bit more soggy than real butter though from what I’ve noticed.
We add brewers yeast and salt as well, adds a nice umami flavor and soaks up some of the margarine.
I started buying that because it's half the price of butter and tastes okay but it's certainly not as nice as butter.
Yeah which is 100% arbitrary pricing. Making oat milk yourself is like 0.02$ per liter. It is incredibly cheap.
Yeah, all of these dairy substitutes are different products and better for different applications. I think oat milk is actually better in coffee than cow's milk, for example. I wish people would talk about them this way. Most of the time people only say they're replacements for dairy, and they don't go into detail where different options are better/worse.
for straight drinking, soylent is the best milk replacement. I dare say it's better than milk
But isn’t it green?
nope
I rather have my soylent made out of real freerange people.
You have shitty taste buds if you're actually being real and not a troll/bot for the oatmilk industry.
That's because cow butter in many cases has like 0 unsaturated fatty acids. In such cases it doesn't even come from cows, but they hydrogenate oil to make a cheap and unhealthy replacement.
Idk, we always used corn butter or margarine, it just tastes better. Not even from a veganism standpoint, it just better.
Whaat.
Of course you can have e your own opinion and preferences but surely you have to acknowledge that most people prefer real butter?
And I prefer real margarine. Your point? We've had margarine in our home since I was born and it works just fine. Why do I need to acknowledge the tastes of others when I say mine, when no one has done it in the thread?
Did you write the same comment to the one right before me suggesting oat butter?
I've only had butter made from animals a handful of times. Nothing special.
Margarine tastes nothing like butter.
And when you start looking at it from a chemical composition standpoint, they are very different things (and I'm no chemist).
I have nothing against margarine, used a lot of it in my life - it has it's uses, but it isn't butter, anymore than cream cheese is butter or margarine, though the three have similarities.
If you spend any time baking, all 3 have their use-cases, and can rarely sub for the other.
Eh, not really. I mean, maybe an actual chemist would disagree that this makes them quite similar, but the difference is basically one single bond becomes a double bond. To a lay person, at least, they appear chemically very similar.
So? I said that we used margarine in our house as a default. It worked perfectly for baking cake in the years we did it at home, you can saute things with it instead of butter, and it just works.
I don't care if it tastes different, it's better. Feel free to have your opinion.