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From Postimees (also known as CIA, NED, Radio Free Europe, r*ddit) with the original article title being along the lines of "alternative political perspectives fail to change mainstream views in Estonia".

CW: Estonian cringe translated into English for your reading displeasure"Estonian politics is to be the democratic Western civilization shielding against the authoritarian regimes like big scary Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and their satellites (they basically mean everyone in the Global South, especially BRICS). The border nations must be the aegis of Western civilization like piSSrael and uKKKraine, who are defending the free Western world with their blood."

Being fluent in Estonian is actually a curse bro I swear

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[–] plinky@hexbear.net 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don’t understand baltics problem, they are tiny states with cute cities and nothing ever happens vibe, same as austria, why are they so mad all the time?

[–] RedSturgeon@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago

We want complete National independences, while being completely dependent on foreign relations and there's unwillingness and difficulty to deal with those contradictions. The ruling class continues to fuck over it's people, who get to deal with the consequences (economic setback), the backlash (infamous deportations) and fall into racism, xenophobia, anti-communism, fascism etc.

The Legacy left by the western rules fuels inferiority, the legacy left by the Soviet Union fuels superiority. Sometimes it's both like the neo-classical Stalin era architecture is both stunning and makes us feel inferior, but it was made by a Soviet. There's also the education system I'm not gonna go into that in detail and how they dehumanized the Soviet Union.

The crem de la crem, the rulers, the petit bourgeoise, those can easily evade problems like economic setbacks, by diversifying assets. They can evade blowbacks, by fleeing the country. This will absolutely effect the type of policies that get implemented and then in turn effect the nationals. Being small nations with unique languages also makes surveillance much more manageable to quench any socialist spark.

These being small states with unique languages also makes it much more easy to survey citizen activity, especially on the internet. Everyone knows everyone and if you go against that, you are on your own.

In simple terms: Countries that depend on others, but want to have their cake and eat it too. The rich betray the poor, people are left uneducated or educated by pro-western-imperialist-capitalist schools.

Or basically Capitalism.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago

Their prosperity is completely tied to European imperialism. Every setback in resource extraction by EU from the Global South is felt extremely strongly by the tiny Baltic economies, so they consistently side with the most aggressive elements in European politics.

Also, Baltic politicians are not planning to stay in their countries, they usually steal enough money and leave to live comfortably in USA or Britain, so they aren't worried about long-term consequences of their policies on Baltic states.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The soviets were mean to them and so now they must be nazis forever.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Didn't the USSR elevate a lot of those states to greatness they havtn reached since?

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago

Yea but the vibes, the vibes

(the vibes are anticommunist)

[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

yes, but the estonia yearns for another 1000 years of polishing German horse cock

Futurama, but Estonia is producing robots named Pferdschwanspolieren

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

IIRC the Baltics weren't hit as hard by the shock doctrine, but I couldn't say why.

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

Part of the reason is that they were already the most developed regions of the USSR, with very urban population and highest GDP per capita. It's the reason why lots of ethnic Russians moved there in search of higher economic level and that's where their claims of genocide through replacement come from (literally parallel to white replacement conspiracy but substituting Arabs with Russians). Go to the article on Wikipedia about Russians in Estonia and you'll see that it talks of Russians being "settlers", which is an outrageous claim to make when in reality they were economic migrants.

As for Estonia in particular, I feel like gearing a highly trained and educated workforce composed of just a few million people towards an EU-oriented service economy is easier than e.g. Ukraine's strong industrial core literally disappearing overnight.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

The remittances from work migrants to EU countries functioned as sort of bandaid.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago

Maybe they’ve made the sea cold tbh, they do have lots of snow in the movies