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!!! IF YOU ARE AN EU CITIZEN, PLEASE DO THE FOLLOWING FORM !!!

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/#contact-tool

Be especially sure to select your home country's permanent representation in the Committee, but selecting everyone the website proposes is a very good idea (and done by default).

Raise your voices and flood their inbox, this might be the last chance we ever get

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Patrick Breyer's warning about this from 2 days ago

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[–] misk@piefed.social 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

That „all appropriate risk mitigation measures” is doing a lot of work here. Is it specified anywhere what’s appropriate?

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

If my understanding of the legislative EU process is somewhat correct, this effectively leaves it up to the countries to decide (as EU laws just mean that countries have to pass a law enacting it).

It's not rare to phrase laws this way in germany at least. It's not necessarily bad, as it allows court interpretation to change alongside societal values. In this case it would likely lead to only some countries actually passing mass surveillance laws (it's pretty unambiguously unconstitutional in a bunch, which makes it clear that mass surveillance is not "reasonable". Not that that always stops legislators, but it would at least die before the highest court eventually).

So we still need to fight it, because it's the first line of defense. Really what we need to push for would likely be explicitly disallowing blanket scanning of communication on the EU level, or proposals like this will happen again and again.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah that seems like something that can't be put into a law. Well normally.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Laws are often purposefully vague to account for loopholes and changing circumstances/public attitudes though. It's the task of courts to define the exact boundaries – and since jury trials aren't a thing, the interpretations of any higher court will basically ammend the law for lower courts.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

If you have a system based on precedent I guess, but I don't think the EU has that.