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  1. i think that a true socialist government involves a three-way party-state-union framework: the party leads the state through organic centralism and multi-party democracy (i call a multi-party socialist democracy 'proletarian liberalism', rather than centre-right bourgeois liberalism); the state controls and coordinates (led by the workers and farmers themselves - a dictatorship of the proletariat) with a coalition of political parties in the government (the vanguard socialist party is the lead party, the big cheese); the union handles economics and such (a planned market economy is a true socialist economy) in a 'council of the economy', led by a national trade union federation.

  2. all political parties should be put in the care of the proletariat, rather than the oligarchs (or the people who enable the oligarchs. the general secretary of the vanguard party is the highest-ranking role, but the president and premier are the real leaders. the policies were enforced to prevent authoritarian stuff.

  3. in addition, private property exists alongside public and collective property; competition exists as it helps drive innovation; strict antitrust and antimonopoly laws were enforced; all corporations get split and collectivized by the workers. landowners get stripped of their landowner role, so the tenants get to be their own landowners, and they pay the taxes to the land and other stuff (taxation is NOT theft in any way, shape and form). property (whether private or public or collectivized) becomes regulated to avoid inequalities and such

  4. wealth is redistributed among everyone, and everyone is paid fairly - everyone gets a dividend of $1000 per month (financed through public banking run by the government). labor value is measured through an accounting system. the government controls how much money people spend - if they wanna exchange currency for goods and services without getting the guilt of being poorer, they can use labor vouchers. ethical consumption is allowed under market socialism. private, public and collective ownership co-exist peacefully (but private companies are regulated).

  5. rich people are taxed, and so does churches. food stamps (and snap benefits), bridge cards and welfare are important.

what do you think?

edit: listen the point is that i support full-fledged market socialism within a government that had three-way power between the parties, the state and the union. seriously!

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[–] axont@hexbear.net 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ok this isn't materialist in any way, this is designing a rube goldberg machine without the means of putting it together. You're saying this stuff as if it's not specific to situation, geography, or climate? I do wanna say

But regardless of all of this, where do you specifically come in to declare all of this? For instance Cuba has a constitution that was designed by popular mandate, it wasn't designed by a single person and then given a yes/no vote. Socialism is a mass movement and like anything similar consists of compromises and negotiation.

What you're doing is designing the specific policies of a fictional country that has no outside interference or internal strife or what? I think I don't understand how exactly something like this comes about, although a few of the specific policies you mention already exist in places like Vietnam and Cuba.

Also despite all of that I do think it's valid of you to say what you believe in and support. I hope we can discuss this in good faith because you do seem to have put a lot of thought into this.