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"Both sides are the same but the dems are worse" - said by nobody who is paying attention. There is a reason 'both sides' is exclusively weaponized towards one party and not the other.
Republicans don't pretend to care. We know exactly what to expect from them
Still doesn't make both parties the same. People saying they're the same are trying to convince you not to vote, which consistently benefits one party and absolutely does not move our government to the left.
What have the Democrats done in the last 10 years to stop the GOP? Every ossue America faces comes from infettered capitalism eating away at society like a cancer, but they still egg it on. The party exists to collect corporate donations and make people feel like they can change their lives if they just vote a little harder.
Voting for either right wing party doesn't move to the left either
It's a little to the right vs so far right you get whiplash. They're still not the same. Do you think any of this would've happened under Biden eventually? Of course not.
It already fucking did.
Biden did a lot of good work. He also let Trump have this second term.
It's like you people always forget how much the high road costs everyone.
Great that people got some benefits... for a couple of years. Now they will suffer fascism for who knows how long.
"You should vote blue" except Mamdani.
Why can't you see that dems don't want the majority? They don't care about the poors? DNC has betrayed progressives at every turn, but they are the lesser evil!!1!
Fuck no, they just make you complacent, lash out at leftists, and stop any critical observations.
Every election they could make amazing campaigns about how awesome life could be if the country turned left. Instead they just point at GOP and scream 'they will murder transfolk and immigrants', which is true. But that is not the path to victory.
'Dems never had all three brances of government' - then they aren't doing their jobs. Simple as that.
What I find mindblowing is how people are so quick to blame Democratic voters for something that the Republican party has been orchestrating for so long, and blame them for the limited choices that they have at the ballot box, as if they were personally responsible for the choices they were presented with, instead of pointing at the leadership within the DNC that has been compromised.
Do you see any other Mamdanis anywhere besides AOC and her posse? Do you remember what happened with Bernie and the DNC despite people's overall enthusiasm for him?
Why can't I not see it? A lot of them are DINOs, and it's clear as day. And yet, the people like Ms. Crockett who have been pushing back nonstop on the Senate floor this entire time would never let this happen if it were up to her. You fail to realize your own point: that the Democratic party is heterogeneous with conflicting interests and not by choice of the constituents.
Turn that divisive shit down.
Yeah, I remember Bernie very well. Specially the presidential campaign. I remember the backstabbing at every turn. It was so sad and painful to watch. Only to give Trump his first turn.
That was exactly the DNC's doing. They do it again and again.
Yes, it's almost as if it was never meant to accomplish anything. It's almost as if it was hijacked by corpo shills just waiting to stand against any real progress, while appearing helpless when it's needed.
Fuck the DNC.
When there are only two parties, the one to the left of the other becomes the left wing party. It's not rocket science
The problem arises when both parties keep moving to the right.
On the political scale, Democrats currently sit on what was considered far right 30 years ago. They keep in lockstep with Republicans as they shift further to the right, filling the void Republicans have just left behind
this meme doesn't say they are worse
It's really sad to see how many people fall into the trap of party identity instead of thinking for themselves.
It's incredibly obvious that the Democrat leadership and establishment has long since stopped caring about their constituents and prioritized corporate interest.
It's so frustrating that people have become so wrapped up with party identity that they can't just not see the cancer, they actively defend it.
"Blue no matter who" and the general response to this meme is so fucking stupid because it keeps the corrupt establishment in power and sidelines the actual progressives.
Edit: I bet you people are mad that Cuomo lost because you all obviously love your establishment shills so much.
"Both sides bad" is a thought terminating cliche designed to deter people from honestly comparing the two parties and seeing the gulf between them. I'm not defending the dems. I'm not defending the two party system. I'm not defending any of it.
There is an active authoritarian takeover of our country, which is right now taking away people's rights. Harassing them for what they say, and shipping them out of the country without even the token gesture of checking their legal status. They have already tried to prevent a peaceful transfer of power, and confidently talk about ending term limits.
For some reason supposed leftists have no interest in this, and would rather do the far right's work for them. Do you think these things would be happening no matter who was in power? Push the party left in primaries and local elections, fight for ranked choice to make third parties viable, call out the dems when they do something bad. Don't pretend the two sides are the same, and don't imply that voting is a waste or counter-productive.
RE your edit: Why are you so antagonistic to people saying it's important to vote against the far right? Mamdani was the clearly better option, and I hope his proposals are proven effective. This is the kind of local election win that can nudge the party to the left. Just don't disown him the moment he is seen working with dem leadership.
Yes they would be, but in different ways. Democrats always set the stage for Republicans to commit crimes against the working class. Trump put kids in cages built by Democrats. Trump militarized ICE and deportations after Democrats increased their funding to their highest levels with the largest increase of detention center construction. Liberals were outraged when they found Trump was denying due process to those he deported while ignoring Obama did the same thing with upwards of 75% of those he deported denied using a law signed into law by Bill Clinton.
And the Democrat ratchet effect prevents anything started by Republicans from ever slipping back.
This is another failed strategy that's never worked, after electing them they have no obligation to fulfill their promises, all they need to do is create another manufactured crisis before the elections that require everyone to come together and defeat their imaginary foe, 'the most important election of our lifetime.'
Calling out Dems when they do bad holds no weight when they know you will come back afterwards and reward their bad behavior with reelection.
Would you agree with this statement? "Both sides are irredeemably bad, people should not vote or participate in American politics"
They are not equally bad, the side that poses as an ally and a protector of is the marginalized while actively causing them harm is by far worse.
So you agree with the statement? Or are you saying the dems are meaningfully worse so people should participate in opposition to them?
If by opposition to them you mean Republicans, no. Republicans are not opposition to Democrats
no one said this. you are fighting a strawman
That is literally the content of the original post that spawned this entire conversation.
no, it's not. The content of that post is explaining why they criticize Democrats more than they criticize Republicans. it's not saying "both sides bad"
"both sides bad"
this is literally ignoring all the context. please try to practice some intellectual honesty
Could you explain the context? I am clearly missing something, because most of what I see here reads like dems are the greater threat.
Here's an example: "They are not equally bad, the side that poses as an ally and a protector of is the marginalized while actively causing them harm is by far worse."
the first clause is the context: "Why do I criticize Democrats'
"Why do I criticize Democrats" "...because both parties are terrible in every way, but the dems are terrible in a bonus way too." I don't see how that first bit changes the meaning of the rest.
Do you consider the two parties to be equally bad, or do you consider one to be worse than the other?
this is the most intellectually dishonest reading you could possibly make. kindly, leave me alone
Yes it does. "They are both terrible in every way, but the dems are also dishonest gaslighters."
you are deciding that is worse. the meme does not make that value judgement.
that's not what I said
it's not precisely what I said, or you wouldn't have needed to edit it
He has no arguments so he has to edit your post
Then enlighten me. When they said that adding gaslighting to something makes it worse, and you said the meme wasn't make that value judgement, what else could that mean?