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[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But, like, it does. Because language evolves, and history shows most who choose the Old Ways of Language as the hill to die on don't win out.

So many of the word shifts that have conglomerated into new dialects, and eventually new languages, come from people who don't feel like saying a whole word anymore, who combine 2+ words together, who lose the need for a word's specific meaning and let it become something more general, etc.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

NO. IT DOES NOT. WORDS DO NOT EVOLVE TO MEAN THEIR OPPOSITE ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE SPECIFIC TO WORDS THEMSELVES. INSANE CHAOS SUPPORTERS GTFO.

SIX IS NOT GOING TO MEAN NINE, EVER. (well okay maybe once for fun, or like in a substitution cipher or something.) “RUN” SHOULD NEVER MEAN “STAND STILL”. STEP AWAY FROM THE BONG.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Quora user Ben Waggoner had this to say about words evolving to mean their opposites:

Well, the classic example is “awful”, which used to mean, literally, “awe-full”, i.e. full of awe, awe-inspiring. It now generally means “really bad.”

In my long-passed Methodist childhood, the hymnal included a hymn that we never seemed to sing, called “Before Jehovah’s Awful Throne”. I remember wondering as a lad why God would put up with a bad throne. . .

There’s an often-repeated story that when Christopher Wren completed building St. Paul’s Cathedral in London, King Charles II exclaimed that the building was “awful”, “artificial”, and “amusing.” Supposedly, this was actually meant as a compliment: “awful” meant awe-inspiring, “artificial” meant made with great art and skill, and “amusing” meant amazing. Hey, what do you know—words can change their meanings!

The truth is not quite that good a story. There is a documented royal warrant from Charles II that praises the plan of St. Paul’s as “very artificial, proper, and useful; as because it was so ordered that it might be built and finish’d by Parts”—so it’s true that St. Paul’s was called “artificial” in the sense of “designed with great art”, which I guess is another example of a word that has taken a very different meaning, if perhaps not the exact opposite of its original meaning. But the bits about “awful” and “amusing” seem to have accreted to the story much later. (And “amusing” originally meant “deceiving; deluding”; I don’t think it meant “amazing” at all, although I’ll check that.) Check out St Paul’s Cathedral Is Amusing, Awful, and Artificial for documentation.


Responding to the same question, Quora user Jennifer Bransfield offered:

What are examples of words which, archaichly, had the exact opposite meaning?

You can thank our West Coast surfers for some of these switcheroos:

Sick - used to mean ill, bad or unhealthy. Now it means something very good.

Dude - used to mean a man who works on a ranch. Now it is used as a gender-nonspecific pronoun. Yes, even women can be dudes.

Awesome - used to mean extremely worthy of awe. Now it can be used for ordinary things. It can also be used sarcastically to describe something that is not good. For example, “I think this toast is awesome because it has just the right amount of butter.” Or, “Awesome. I just lost my job.”

Tubular - used to mean shaped like a tube.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes, well, Quora notwithstanding ffs.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What an awful* response.

*Assume whichever meaning you prefer to.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well it’s literally the 17th century.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I didn't mean that literally.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Right, I know; you meant it literally!

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

Then there are the words that you could think were antonyms but actually have the same meaning, like flammable/inflammable and ravel/unravel.