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"I disagreed with Kamala on a single issue involving two nations on the opposite side of the planet, so I didn't vote for her and held the door open for fascists instead."
Yeah, not a bright bunch.
EDIT: Looks like 10 people so far have self identified as these dim bulbs. These are the people we need to worry about come 2026 and 2028. They're going to make the same mistake again, because learning isn't in their wheelhouse.
So very well said.
Some of them are still around here and have the fucking balls to pop up here and chastise people they have derisively labeled "liberals". They think they have the moral high ground. Even now. And, if it sadly comes to it, when everyone is being put into FEMA camps, I doubt they will admit their wrongdoing and will instead lecture people on things like "don't blame the voters". FFS. It's bonkers.
I know a few of this type IRL, too, unfortunately. No self awareness and no apologies. I think it's mostly narcissism, really. The ones online are possibly paid actors/bots put there to sow division.
Oh yeah. I know a few IRL as well. Like talking to a brick wall. These are people that want their fantasy scenario to become reality but don't grasp the actual reality we live in and also aren't willing to put in the hard work to make their fantasy a reality.
It's sad and these are the main people we have to worry about in the coming elections. We know we don't have to spend time trying to convince Trump supporters. They're cultists and they aren't changing. But to see these people who generally want the same things we want, but are completely out to lunch regarding how to achieve those things is just really depressing.
I'm crossing my fingers that things get so bad in the U.S. that these people wake up and do the right thing, at least for 2026 and 2028, but I'm not holding my breath.
I'm not going to say I'm happy about her non-stance re: Palestine, but also, fuck anyone who didn't vote for her and allowed literal fascism.
Theoretically, the argument would have been "Then vote in the primaries". Problem being, a lot of people have been betrayed on Democratic primaries. Bernie Sanders was shown as popular before, and they still nixed him as an option. People largely agreed Joe Biden was too old to run, and yet he was way too late to offer up Kamala as an option; skipping past any primary that would have given people other choices.
People want to demonstrate "their choice" is popular, and the Democrats have taken away that choice pretty consistently. To me, it's not enough to surrender a vote to fascism, but I think I understand the feeling.
"I'm gonna keep voting for the lesser evil candidate and get mad when people don't fall in line to support their oppressors."
You guys are insane, and a bunch of pussies.
You've been conditioned to only focus on gridlock issues in a culture war to distract you from how we're all being robbed every day by the ownership class.
If you don't like that, and you shouldn't, show up to your local meetings regularly, not just two weeks before the primary, and encourage other like minded people to do so. Doing that allows you to get the better candidates recommended in the voting guide, canvas for them, phone bank for them, etc. I'll be there waiting. In my precinct it would only take 3-4 people to tip the balance from corpo Dems to progressives, and maybe even an actual leftist, for local office and state legislative candidates. Start local and trickle up.
Or if you're already doing that, thanks and keep doing it.
But until those efforts bear fruit, when faced with a binary choice please pick the less bad one.
The problem is that even people on the left, who should be the good guys, don't want to solve these issues.
They'd rather have fascism than socialism because they don't want to pay more in taxes.
This is why they're all cool with perpetuating a culture war at the expense of the class war.
You don't seem to understand what I'm saying.
Those people aren't the left, they're the fucking problem.
Show up locally with other leftists, or at least progressives, outnumber the corpo Dems, and change the party from the ground up. Leaving the party in the hands of the people who currently run it and complaining about the candidates they put forward isn't going to do you any good.
Right. I'll call them "democrats" instead of people on the left.
Now hopefully you can understand my point better.
They don't want to pay more in taxes, so they'd rather have a fascist in office than a socialist.
What you're suggesting is actually a load of bullshit to make you think you're having an impact when you're really not. I'm sorry, it's the truth and the sooner you realize it the sooner you can stop wasting your time and focus on something that's more effective.
The far-right did it. The people of New York did it.
The far-right spent 20-30 years doing it. They started with the smallest elections where the fewest number of people could have an impact, city council, school boards, etc. They consolidated their power and moved on to things like small city mayors and state legislatures. Then large cities and the U.S. house. Then Governor and Senate. Then the fucking presidency.
You think support for Mamdani materialized out of thin fucking air? The locals did it. Despite the state and national parties trying to rat fuck him. Get enough local elected officials in New York state like Mamdani, the state party won't try to rat fuck them any more, because they will be the state party.
Do you think the left is lazier than the far-right? Do you think they're dumber? I don't. I think they've been discouraged by people like you and I try to push back.
You could stop discouraging people and help me push back. Or you could just keep doing nothing and whining about the results.
Don't allow "democrats" to continue to mean corpo Dems. Make it mean leftists and progressives. Or just keep whining.
They didn't, though. Ever since the Rush Limbaugh era, Republicans have always been voting against Democrats because they're Democrats.
You can keep patting yourself on the back for doing nothing of use and getting mad at anyone who points it out, but it won't change anything.
There needs to be a cultural shift, and democrats have shown time and time again that they do not want to solve these problems because they don't want to pay more in taxes.
Are you dense? The Republicans have not been stable, they've been taken over by the far-right. The R's that R's vote for for because they're not D's have become increasingly far-right due to decades of grass roots efforts. Meanwhile the left and progressives have allowed D's to drift until they resemble Eisenhower Republicans, or even Nixonians.
Help move the Democrats left or stop whining about the very predictable results of your passivity.
I'm probably waiting my breath. You seem like the type that just likes impotently screaming into the void.
Dude is a troll. I commend your patience tho.
Thanks, it was more about not letting his doomer shit sit there unchallenged. If 1 or 2 people saw the exchange and said "roscoe is right, I'm going to go volunteer and try to get a little Mamdani elected to my city council," I've done my good deed for the day.
Yeah, you're nuts.
Trump was propped up by Russian interference, not any grassroots bullshit going on in the states.
I'm going to ignore you now. People like you just love to argue rather than admit you're wasting your time on bullshit.
Keep being stupid.
Herp derp? Like a revolution?
Lol.
Not happening.
History has taught us that revolutions often lead to worse situations because no one had plans for what happens after the revolution and then the grifters and bad actors fill the void.
The cultural shift is reforming the Democrat party to be more progressive. That takes time and for knuckledraggers to realize that not voting or voting for non-viable 3rd parties makes that less likely to happen.
You're right. It's definitely not happening.
We don't want to solve these issues, so they don't get solved.
Continue convincing yourself that you're solving them by going to meetings or whatever. All our political system responds to is money.
You sound like a weak little quitter bitch. Because that's what you are. Too stupid to grasp plausible ways to improve situations so you just cry like the little bitch you are. I hope your parents are able to take care of you for the remainder of your pathetic life, cuz you're not going to be able to handle the real world without their assistance.
Want to elaborate? Lot of whining coming from you. Not a lot of details.
Yeah, you're an idiot.
Part of changing culture is making sure that people like you see different ideas.
Go ahead, keep whining about whining like a little bitch.
You should keep posting crybaby bullshit so you can keep getting downvoted by everyone. Then you can keep pretending that everyone else except you is an idiot. The actions of a little crybaby bitch who can't accept the reality they live in. You are weak.
Sorry. I'm not sure if you noticed. But you didn't address the person who asked you if you're showing up to meetings, canvassing, phone banking, or anything at all, to help try to make a 3rd party viable by winning local/state elections so they can start getting members in Congress so they can have some sort of remote chance of winning the presidency.
Because anyone that votes 3rd party and ISN'T doing those things AND is whining online about a binary system, should probably be quiet and stay out of the conversation.
Oh no, I addressed him. You just don't like how I made it clear that what he is doing is a waste of time.
It's okay, keep thinking that wasting your time is doing something when it's really doing nothing. Keep getting mad at people online because they dare to say that what you're doing only exists to make you feel good about yourself.
I don't expect these problems to get solved. There are too many useful idiots focused on too many useless things in order to solve them.
and yet you write comments?
You wasted your own time in order to waste my time. bye.
nah. we know we are being robbed by the ruling class. but that doesn't change which outcome is the obvious better choice in a binary system.
throwing your vote away for the presidential election will never solve that problem and you're a pretty obvious dufus for thinking that it will.
A slow loss is still a loss.
I'm sorry you've convinced yourself that it's a win.
You're so unbelievably dense we should start building superstructures out of you. They'd stand for a thousand years.
Yeah, keep being a moron and replying to everything I say.
I'm going to block you now. You need help.
You're being mass downvoted because you're a dumbfuck, not because everyone else is.
You need help in the form of a better education.
You're not enlightened because you would let your high horse trample your brethren. Touch grass.
The problem is that they aren't my brethren.
If they think they deserve more before others who have less, they are part of the problem.
If they think our oppressors deserve more before others who have less, they are part of the problem.
If they're willing to let a culture war distract them from the class war, they are part of the problem.
They can eat shit.
Spoiler Alert: You aren't changing any of this shit you're complaining about by not voting or voting for a non-viable 3rd party.
Rub those brain cells together.
Look. You aren't very smart. That's ok. You can change that if you want to. Allow me to explain to you how reality works.
In actual reality, unless you want a revolution (that isn't happening), you have to vote for the less shitty option to reduce harm (like we're experiencing RIGHT NOW), then work to reform that less shitty option by voting out the reps that aren't onboard with more progressive policies. This has been done numerous times throughout U.S. history and was just done, in the worst way possible, to the Republican party by conservative voters over the last decade or so.
And, just in case you're foolish enough to believe a random no-name 3rd party candidate can randomly win the presidency despite being a relative unknown whose party has exactly ZERO representatives in Congress, let me tell you, because you're probably completely clueless, that in 2024, the 3rd party candidate with the MOST votes got a whopping half of a single percent of the total votes cast, PROVING that no 3rd party candidate stands the remotest chance in hell of winning the presidency and that a vote for one is a vote flushed down the toilet and a pass for the shittier option to step into power, WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENED LESS THAN A YEAR AGO.
Seriously bud. You've got a brain. Start using it.