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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Here is a short list of shit going on in Gotham at any given time, not including the wide array of psychopaths and supervillains doing shit at any given time:

  1. The insane asylum with the portal to hell (Depending on if you consider Living Hell canon or not.)
  2. The Lazarus pit in the city spewing chemicals into the water supply.
  3. All the other chemicals likely in the water supply from a wide array of sources, including regular pollution and goofy shit.
  4. The remnants of the evil warlock who was sealed under the city for centuries.
  5. The massive mafia presence and general corruption.
  6. The Illuminati that uses zombie soldiers.

That is not shit proper taxation is going to resolve. You can't protected bike lane away the zombie controlling Illuminati.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)
  1. The Lazarus pit in the city spewing chemicals into the water supply.
  2. All the other chemicals likely in the water supply from a wide array of sources, including regular pollution and goofy shit.

Fixing contaminants to the water supply is absolutely something proper taxes should be able to solve.

[–] macmacfire@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Key word, Should. If taxes actually went where people say it does, it might. And even then, it'd also take a lot of funding outside of just taxes, not to mention someone to actually start doing stuff about with all that funding. Also note on that list is rampant corruption and criminal syndicates mingling with the government.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think you underestimate the power of actual taxes, say if we taxed billionaires and corporations.

Or you may be arguing, as Marx did in Das Kapital that democracy and self-government are incompatible with capitalism. With some qualifications, I'd agree.

[–] macmacfire@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I am absolutely arguing that. The rich in actual mid-to-south New York and elsewhere aren't actually taxed, why would the rich in Gotham be?

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Well in the case of Bruce Wayne, as an allegedly ethical billionaire, he'd pay his fair share of taxes wouldn't he? Or he'd spend that money dressing as a bat and punching poor people.

I think the Batman fiction depends on the notion of ethically rich. Heck, even the bible challenges the notion over fifteen centuries ago. 🐪🪡💰

ETA: TBF variations of Robin Hood are aristocracy, as was the Scarlet Pimpernel, and I think Zorro was as well. So Bats is not the first rich superhero by far.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

If taxes actually went into a big pile of money we set on fire, they would still solve the pollution problem. The pollution solution is to internalize its external cost.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean two of those are pretty clearly regulation issues. Maybe if the city's Regulatory Agencies weren't so strapped for cash they'd be more able to address pollution and water safety issues. Also you can always build a new Asylum elsewhere but apparently they don't have the funds for that I guess? It's amazing have Bruce Wayne doesn't use his philanthropy to build one, almost like he likes them being crazy so he has someone to beat up.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I mean two of those are pretty clearly regulation issues. Maybe if the city’s Regulatory Agencies weren’t so strapped for cash they’d be more able to address pollution and water safety issues.

See point 5.

It’s amazing have Bruce Wayne doesn’t use his philanthropy to build one, almost like he likes them being crazy so he has someone to beat up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Enterprises#Wayne_Foundation

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago

A massive mafia presence (which is true for every city in the US, only the mafia lobbies the state reps) is something that can also be managed better with a more robust public works project by the government. We don't even have to beat them up, just seize their assets when they're caught doing crime.

Sadly, actual solutions to real world problems are not as exciting as a flying man who punches things.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Your link did not address what I said so I'm not sure why you sent it to me. As for the fifth point no I don't think that addresses it.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago

In that case, Dr. Strange or whoever should be sealing the hell-mouths. Batman face-punching the victims of all these effects is not helping.

I grew up during the smog-alert era of the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles, exerting myself, walking home uphill from school (yes, the had to walk in snow from school story except in my case, it was smog and it was true). No number of batmen or tough-on-crime judges were going to fix that, and heck even the limited smog regulations on cars we have today do enough. (Though switching to unleaded gasoline certainly helped generations after mine by lessening the damage). Only public transit and tighter regs on cars is going to help that.

Don't justify Batman's fists by saying there are extenuating pollution circumstances. The rogues gallery are the results of what comes down to poor urban planning and a superfluous layer of white-collar crime. If Batman was going after Pfizer and the Sacklers or Du Pont Chemical and PFOA manufacturers or all the private equity firms, then he'd be a hero. Otherwise, he's a crazy rich dude who beats up on poor people and has writers who won't think the problem through.

I think the US has just outgrown the Batman fantasy. I'd hope so, at least.

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