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Dbzer0 admin asserts that Red Fascist states are "Actually Existing Socialism" and that Hexbear is preferable to .world and SJW
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this post was submitted on 30 Sep 2025
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Unruffled is, at least to me, pretty clearly just referring to authoritarian states by the ML's own preferred term, not suggesting it's genuinely a socialist state. This reading seems to be confirmed by being directly followed up with a recommendation to ban communities that support those states instead of whole defederation.
I don't think it's terribly controversial that .world and SJW does tend to generate the majority of reported users besides drive-by accounts on poorly moderated instances, if only by virtue of both of them being the biggest instances.
Not to say I haven't had reports for .ml users either, but their stance isn't unreasonable.
I would've bought that a few months ago, but considering that Unruffled has since done a 180 on such issues like "Does Critical Support for the PRC make someone a tankie?", I'm disinclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Using the preferred terminology of tankies when not talking to tankies, and when talking to someone who is anti-tankie in a bid to get them to accept tankies, is extremely questionable. Saying that the frequency is greater also suggests that it's not absolute size of problematic users that's being discussed.
That they assert that anarchists should have more in common with a red fascist instance than 'liberal' instances (which are far to the left of what most actual liberals would accept) is also telling.
Also, considering Hexbear's extremely aggressive posture, trying to portray them as 'less problematic' than .world or SJW is extremely questionable.
Yeah, if you read what was written then the thread title doesn't make much sense.
Now why the hell would I read past the title?
Yeah but why would you want to look at the context, Pug did it for us! ...just don't look, it might prove him wrong.
But I'm sure the commenter who has 'never seen a tankie' on Lemmy and constantly licks Russian imperialist boots and plays apologist for Ukrainian genocide is posting entirely in good faith. :)
Weird though, since Dbzer0 federates with Hexbear, which unilaterally supports authoritarianism
Isn't SJW federating with .ml?
Yes, but Hexbear and .ml are very different.
Lemmy.zip is federated with hexbear too, what does it make lemmy.zip ?
Lemmy.world is still federated with hilariouschaos - https://piefed.world/post/488105
Does this make Lemmy.world align with HC stances?