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I wrote something very long but it didn't pass my quality check so all I'll say from the salvaged dregs is:
tycmusic was really annoying, full support to purpleworm's criticisms and I'll add: "X music is black music" does not even mean only black people should do it! It's a structural criticism of racist structures leaving black musicians impoverished and oppressed while rewarding white musicians for their shitty knockoffs of the original music that they pass off as their own! It's not generally a criticism of individuals, it's a criticism of a racist structure and system
Jesse Welles is a liberal and that is annoying and leads him to sometimes be right for the wrong reasons, right for ok reasons, wrong for the right reasons, or wrong for the wrong reasons. That is every combination of conclusion and reason which makes it useless, but the fact that he's so inconsistent is the problem. Makes it hard for me to engage others about his work productively. I see a friend post a song of his and what am I going to do, listen to a song I can't stand musically in order to then write a 5 paragraph essay about how the themes in the song are mostly good but this one line ruins the whole thing by misrepresenting the entire topic every single time he drops a new song?
I couldn't find the exact citation for CommunistBear's comment but if Welles maligned a brave and noble freedom fighter who died valiantly in battle against genocidal fascists as someone who just "worshipped death"... I find that really inexcusable. That's the problem with his politics, liberalism, in a nutshell. Doesn't mean I think he's evil, but it's an example of this sort of surface-level vibes-based politics being worthless, pointless, liberals preaching to the choir and trying to take more radical ideas and water them down to be palatable and nonthreatening.
I agree with your actual written out criticisms and you put it better than I was able to.
Since liberals are out there listening to him, probably the best we can do is try to use it as an opportunity to try to get them to see the contradictions in his analysis and move left instead. I mean he's going to stay where he is, but this isn't about him, it's about the people who find his message and timing resonates with them and then give them better answers than he can. It's not even he who's spreading these messages, it is Liberalism, and he is simply channeling those ideas into an accessible musical package for people.
I fully agree on your points and appreciate your support.
https://hexbear.net/comment/6387700
And the song being referred to is War is a God, iirc.
Another song I was referring to where he both sides the Israeli genocide is Dead Diplomats.
Wow, I looked up the lyrics to those.
Yeah I didn't like his music anyway but this surface level analysis is terrible. I will admit he has a talent for using words to write evocative words and frame some things in a poignant lift, but that's a problem when paired with such bad analysis.