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This post was originally a link of my saved video of this TikTok (CW: gross body-shaming, mean, misinformation) diss track that I deleted. I apologize for overlooking the ugliness of this content, and I don't condone most of what was said in the video, only certain elements I agreed with. I appreciate the criticism and feedback.

I'll keep this up in this state because I believe there is some worthwhile discussion here. If the mods want me to delete this or remove the TikTok link for reference, I am willing to do so.

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[โ€“] purpleworm@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

"This white guy is appropriating a black genre!" sing-sneers white guy in the same genre. This is the left-lib equivalent of when Steven Segal says "get your white ass out of here," and even for "folk artist semi-musically ranting" this is bizarrely unmusical.

Isn't he obviously terrible at music?

lmao glass houses and stones.

I've never heard a black person say his name

Oh, well if you haven't . . .

White people are so behind / it doesn't matter if we cosplay as Bob Dylan /. . . we'll still fail to understand that the problem in these conversations and this music is us

Jesus Christ, dude, then put down your fucking guitar if that's how it is! That way you don't need to culturally appropriate from the pinnacle of Afro-Appalachian art and only folk musician you mention besides yourself and Welles, Bob fucking Dylan. So much for being appreciative of it being black music when you can't even be fucking bothered to list a black artist in this repetitive rant that's supposedly about appropriating from black artists. He's just doing a land acknowledgement on land that he has no intention of returning, but so long as he's self-disparaging about being white he can keep doing the same shit that he uses as a paper-thin excuse to attack others.

Don't get me wrong, I was pissed about the Kirk song and it dramatically lowered my opinion of Welles, but this is so embarrassing that it's hard to watch. Also, the assassin almost certainly wasn't a fascist and that clearly was not the motivation for the killing unless the whole existing narrative is a conspiracy, but it should be unsurprising that someone with such an opportunistic attitude toward politics would cling to the version of the story he most prefers. "But this was published when that was less known," then he shouldn't be making claims about it and you probably shouldn't be reposting something with overt misinformation.

Anyway, fuck Welles and fuck this guy.

[โ€“] Imnecomrade@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I see what you are saying. Should I delete this post? I believe I overlooked a lot of the ugliness and hypocrisy of this video. I don't mean to spread misinformation, there were just some elements of this video I agreed with, but most of it is just name calling and not very constructive.

[โ€“] purpleworm@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Do whatever you like or ask a mod. I must admit that the "shouldn't be reposting" part was mostly a snipe at whatever might be offered to defend his mischaracterization of the shooting, I don't personally feel strongly at all about you posting this so much as I just hate the "song" in itself. If I was you and just realized what I posted I would have taken it down purely based on the "I'm a white folk artist and I say you're bad for being a white folk artist" element, let alone the rest of it, but if you think there's any kind of worthwhile conversation to be had (even one you didn't intend) then I think keeping it up with that caveat is perfectly defensible. I'm not sure what the mods think, though my bet is they'll delete it for body-shaming.

I was so caught up in his absurd rhetoric on race that I totally forgot about the start where he was basically just calling Welles a manlet, which paired with the white folk artist thing makes me think this dude just hates himself and is projecting his insecurities onto Welles (besides the crying for Kirk thing, which again is a totally valid criticism). It makes me wonder what he self-censored at the end to merely be about not having the muscles to pander to the right. I wish outspoken critics of Welles wouldn't be such embarrassments to the elements of substantial criticism they present.

[โ€“] RedWizard@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago

Yeah the race angle of this is really cringe. Like, we're all leftists here, we should have a cursory understanding of the ways black culture has been appropriated, not exactly a prescient critique. Self loathing might be it. "I might not be as talented as welles but at least im not a lib!!" Is the energy this is giving off.

I'll maintain that welles presents a foot in the door for conversation at best. We'll see if that changes.