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FCC Chair Threatens Jimmy Kimmel Over Charlie Kirk Monologue Comments
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this post was submitted on 17 Sep 2025
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Those points are exactly on issue. You need to either get yourself up to speed on the conversation we've been having or accept that it is beyond you, but for all the patience I've put into this conversation I will not stand for you to just declare me derailing it to offhandedly dismiss a core point you don't like. If you honestly think that I'm trying to pull the discussion off-course, then point out where and how, don't just give a cowardly hand-wave and pretend to have the high ground.
As a famous politician quipped, "corporations are people, my friend". Whether you or I like it or not, that is the current reality of constitutional rights. But it's not just corporate actions that are being targeted, it's specifically what Kimmel (who is a person) said. Don't pretend that the enforcement [retribution] mechanism defines what activity is being restricted. If the government threatened to fine the company owned by anyone caught wearing a blue shirt, they are restricting people from wearing blue shirts, not owning companies. If the FCC Chair threatens to do things "the hard way" for a company that employs Kimmel because of what he said, they are restricting his speech.
Furthermore, the fact that government agents didn't literally haul him out of the building does not absolve them of wrongdoing. Threatening someone and then pretending to not have actually done anything and that their reaction is entirely on them is a classic abuser strategy. Are you going to wholeheartedly stand behind that line of argument and claim to be in good faith? (And don't even try to claim that people lambasting ABC/Disney for being weak enough to give in to that threat are blaming them for being threatened in the first place.)
Damn bro his right to lye in 4k on the air on the most controversial recent issue is being suppressed by the government ? Omg Better call Alex Jones and anti vaxer to tell them they were unjustly juged and should defend their first amendement right
I just gave you a thorough explanation of how he did not say the killer was MAGA, the one with the example about the color of the sky. You didn't even attempt any sort of rebuttal, so I thought we had moved past that point. Did you already forget about that, or is returning to claiming he lied just a bad-faith argumentative tactic instead of actually engaging with the points I'm making?
Even if Kimmel had made a claim about the killer's politics in an offhand comment with mixed reports coming in, it would demonstrate a deep lack of awareness to say that that's comparable to an extended campaign to harass and falsely accuse the grieving parents of murdered children of being actors paid to decieve the public, causing them years of documented torment and damages, or to repeating the falsified claims of a fraudulent and abusive study that was actually made up to push a different vaccine. (Let alone the whataboutism)
You are the one being bad faith saying his formulation in no way or form can be interpreted other way than yours.
"can be interpreted" would mean that he is not inherently lying, but that you are choosing an interpretation (twisting his words) to try to say that he is. Otherwise I could say you are lying about calling me bad faith because you don't know anything about my religious practices. See how absurd that is?
Is coming into a conversation and clearly laying out my points along with giving reasoning and explanations "bad faith" now? What conventions or norms am I breaking, other than taking a fact- and logic-based approach to reality? Are those not allowed any more?
Nop, He s responsible his words and if the most common interpretation isnt what he mean he s still responsible for it. Nobody for him to say that. Your logical approach is to dismiss the most logical one
Even if that is the most common "interpretation", it's already been explained how that is not actually part of his words, but you've done nothing to refute that except double-down on baseless assertions. Innumerable riddles, mind-benders, word games, and garden-path sentences demonstrate how inaccurate the first or most common interpretation of a statement can be. You say he is responsible for his words but blame him for others' misunderstandings of them. And to keep track of the goalposts, it isn't lying if you say one thing and someone else misinterprets that to mean something else you didn't say, even if you weren't flawless in your original phrasing.
That dishonest. It s like me saying 1+1 = 3 and I'm right without telling any of my conception or what is the context of it
He is saying 1+1, then you are adding your own +1 to get 3 and calling him a liar because it's not 2. That's all there is to it. What sort of "conception" or "context" are you going to add that puts words in his mouth instead of your own?