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General Staff: Russia has lost 1,100,600 troops in Ukraine since Feb. 24, 2022
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Russians don't really care about the well being of their own people, that's not a priority for the overwhelming majority of russians. For them achieving goals of genocidal imperialism, undermining global democracy, and maintaining the glory of their army are far more important goals. You take away their feelings of pride in genocidal imperialism and all you have left is a chauvinistic, corrupt, cowardly society that has failed to develop democracy and engaged in mass killings of their own citizens across three very different socio-economic models (Tsarist brand of monarchy, authoritarian communism and modern oligarchic "capitalism").
Mind you I am not saying russians are incapable of democracy and going beyond genocidal imperialism. They very much have the capability, they don't want to and have no incentive to do so.
I would argue russians are generally well educated and have sufficient understanding of relevant historical facts (e.g. what the KGB is like and implication for putin's motivations). It's more that they don't want to act on it. One example is the polling on attitudes towards Stalin, the majority of russians clearly understand that he was not a good guy, but they justify his barbarism using vague notions of "it needed to be done, there was no other options".
I agree that the russians only understand violence and that they would need a taste of their own medicine over many years for them to choose a different path.
For sure. It's clear they are not going to do anything out of their own accord and only relatively harsh methods will work.
It's here where you agreed with the (now banned and removed) comment that we should genocide them. It's exactly why I said what the fuck.
I do agree that only harsh methods will work against the russians. Where is the contradiction and support for genocide?
What are those methods specifically, you didn't answer.
There are no harsh methods outside of torture and mass killings? You can't come up with anything.
And you didn't answer for your bullshit lying about how most russians don't support the war. When it's proven (with accounting for preference falsification) that a strong majority support the full scale invasion and an overwhelming majority support the annexation of Crimea, the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine.
More projection - YOU can't come up with anything. This isn't MY suggestion, it's YOURS - so I am asking you to tell me what YOU came up with and volunteered on here. Say it now. Be specific. What SPECIFICALLY do you want done to the Russian people to make them suffer via violence - your words - be specific. List the actions. And then we can discuss if those fall into torture or mass killing categories.
I did account for that and explained that thoroughly.
What the fuck
What exactly is the issue?
A strong majority of Russians are commited supporters of genocidal imperialism. If we add pro-imperialism russians who aren't explicitly supportive of the extermination of their neighbours' culture, language and identity, and mass summary killings, you have an overwhelming majority of the country (85%) supportive of genocidal imperialism or just imperialism.
They are not going just change just like that. They will need to suffer, the best option is to treat them like they treat others (without excesses like torture and mass summary killings that are broadly supported in russia).
One isn't doing the russians any favours by supporting and enabling their worst impulses and playing into their victimhood narratives.
See my other comments itt.
You come across as a bot intentionally warmongering, and you’re literally advocating for genocide yourself for the crime of… genocide. Put forth by Putin, and not by the Russians as a whole.
That's like wanting to kill every American because of Trump hating PoC and gays and women - that would kill the PoC and gays and women.
This is obvious. So I assume you are a bad faith actor.
By the same logic, would it be reasonable for me assume you too are a bad faith actor and you are interested in supporting and enabling russian genocidal imperialism? I am genuinely curious.
Sure, that was always allowed, although the second part is a strawman. I never advocated for that, but you explicitly advocated for their genocide even while knowing there are radicals there trying to fight against this. Bad faith actors advocate for genocide.
"Bad faith actors advocate for genocide."
Genocide without mass killings and explicit avoidance of torture, fascinating stuff.
You advocated for mass killings several times and agreed with the other commenter calling for it who has now been banned and comments removed. Your disclaimer is an attempt at gaslighting.
But go ahead, how can you be violent towards Russians and give them everything they've got without mass killing or essentially torture? Answer. What did you mean when you said they needed to suffer and have violence towards them? What's your plan specifically?
Where did I advocate for mass killings?
So let me get this straight. You're saying suffering does not exist outside of torture and death? Am I getting you correctly?
And bombing their admin facilities, airports, ports, power planets (in the middle of winter, just like they did in Ukraine) is not an example of violence? Yeah? We are going non-violently blow up the power plant, yes?
Now you answer about your bullshit that russians are all afraid, when the research clearly shows that strong majority support the full scale invasion (even with preference falsification) and an overwhelming majority support the annexation of Crimea (the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine) with no one hiding their preference.
What SPECIFICALLY do you want done to the Russian people to make them suffer via violence - your words - be specific. List the actions, coward. And then we can discuss if those fall into torture or mass killing categories.
Bombing would indeed lead to mass death, regardless of if people are directly bombed or if the stuff they live off of is bombed. Ukraine is allowed to defend itself against Russia, self defense isn't generally considered violence anyway, and Ukraine is not advocating for every Russian person to be harmed at all, in fact they explicitly try to target PUTIN and his admin - something you have failed to criticize at all.
Do you like Putin? Why are you excusing what he's doing and blaming it on the victims? When significant amounts of Russians have loterally died and been tortured etc for fighting against him and the wars and violence HE perpetuates as their fascist dictator. That's a brave people.
Again, already explained, will have to agree to disagree on that last part.
So: What SPECIFICALLY do you want done to the Russian people to make them suffer via violence - your words - be specific. List the actions, coward. And then we can discuss if those fall into torture or mass killing categories.
What the fuck
Here you state it again, right after bringing up Stalin. Clearly a call for mass killing and genocide.
Russians only understanding violence is a fact. Show me a good faith action from russia in the last ~35 years.
I already did, Pussy Riot, and you also named off nonviolent people already, so why even ask this? You already know there are significant people fighting against Putin including on the side of Ukraine in espionage capacity.
Historically -Tolstoy wrote one of the most famous antiwar books ever - War and Peace.
You're projecting - YOU only know violence and it's the thing you jump to first instead of problem solving because your parents probably spanked you as a kid. All that did was to teach you to value and react with violence first before actually problem solving. That's why your only solution has been violence the whole time.
Honestly stupid af
By Russians I think he means the majority which is the deciding factor, what you are mentioning are exceptions.
AFAIK Pussy Riot had to flee Russia, exactly because they are exceptions.
No you are being stupid. Are you the same person who was banned?
Tolstoy wrote a War and Peace! Fascinating.
Honestly I am done here.
I accept your loss and failure.
What the fuck
What the fuck
Whoa whoa whoa. That’s true of the Putin admin, but most Russian people absolutely care about their own people and are antiwar. Like so much so they are thrown into prisons and tortured and murdered for it. Shame on you.
Do you know any Russians? They are a resilient people and very generous, especially with food and work. They often have a good sense of humor. They often like redneck engineering and sticking it to the government, eg bartering to avoid taxes. They often really really do not like governments (but feel like they can't explicitly say it). They are much more community based than Americans and are often willing to lend a hand. A lot of Russia is in extreme poverty, and despite this they still survive and try to stand up to their fascist government and change things. I admire most Russians, especially the ones who gave their lives protesting the fascist take over of their country.
I lived in russia for 11 years (expat status, but we all speak russian fluently). They are massive racists, I got regularly got harassed by police and skinheads in my pre-teens! Lived there between mid 90s and mid 2000s. Saw with my own eyes how they supported putin's crackdown on free speech and democracy.
So how many russians died "protesting the fascist take over" versus how many died invading Ukraine? Ever thought about that?
This is false. A strong majority support the full scale invasion of Ukraine. An overwhelming majority support the annexation of Crimea. Putin is a mere symptom, the root cause is russian society.
And please don't bring up "polls are wrong unless they show russians in a good light". We will not be creating a noble prize in sociology just for you. You're not the first person to come up with this concept and there are distinct approaches to estimating preference falsification (and the results are damning for the russians, but it is likely you will reject them out of hand without any meaningful critique).
The points you raise "good humour" are irrelevant when the vast majority of the country are committed to genocidal imperialism or just regular imperialism. There are a lot funny pictures with Kim Jong Un, that doesn't mean he is a good guy.
There's racists in every country. Ever been to Italy or Japan?
Did you not make friends with any Russians in 11 years?
Many of the people fighting in Ukraine are indigenous from near Mongolia and are being genocided. Many are prisoners who have no other options for freedom.
No, they do not. Russian people largely HATE war. They are just not allowed to say it. To quote one Russian woman: "I would NEVER have sons in Russia," because Russian leaders regularly meatgrind their people.
The polls and their entire voting system and free speech is broken because they live in a dictatorship. The "reject without meaningful critique" is projection on your side, as that was what your entire paragraph there was. It is well established that they do not have freedom of speech. They are murdering even ballerinas who speak out.
Those things are relevant because they disrupt your weird narrative about them. And it's honestly suspicious as fuck that you are constantly equating the PEOPLE of a country with their leadership.
The PEOPLE of North Korea are not the same as Kim Jong Un. The PEOPLE of Russia being funny should be compared to the PEOPLE of North Korea. The DICTATOR of Russia, Putin, should be compared to the DICTATOR of North Korea, Kim Jong Un. You were side stepping that because we all know how little agency the North Korean people have and it would support my point.
You come across as a BRICS bot trying to initiate war between Russia and the US.
Yes, I have been to Italy several times. We did not have drunk security forces harass us. Good job white-washing and enabling russian racism.
I stopped talking to most people I knew from my time in 2014 because they supported the invasion of Ukraine (while never having visiting Donbas in their life and not caring about the lives of people there).
This is false. Total population of Buryats in Russia is 460 K (men, women children, elderly). Approximately ~1.7 million russians (killed, heavily wounded, currently in Ukraine) have directly taken part in the full scale russian invasion of Ukraine as soldiers. Even if every single Buryat (including toddlers) was fighting in the full scale invasion, that would still be a mere 28%. Use of prisoners peaked in 2023 and likely was never more than a few ten of thousands (and limited to a few directions). Then there are also about 2.5 - 3 million russian settler colonialists.
Preference falsification adjustment methodologies are widely used to evaluate regular polling results. Regular polling shows support for the full scale invasion at 75%, preference falsification (e.g. people who are afraid) is at 10% for 65% true support for the full scale invasion. That's the full scale invasion. Regular polling shows consistent support for the annexation of Crimea (the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine) at 85% over the 2014 to 2021 period. Preference falsification adjustment methodologies are unable to find a statistically significant difference from 84%, i.e. almost no one is actually afraid to share their real view and ~85% truly support the annexation of Crimea.
If you prefer non-quantitative methodologies, there is interesting qualitative analysis of "non-political" russians in a smaller Siberian town. Results are damning for russian society, even non-political russians are largely supportive of the invasion and are willing to support all actions of the russian military.
While russian TV has been dominated by government narratives since the mid 2000s, from 2010 onward every russian had access to youtube. Starting from 2010, multiple reputable international services (BBC, DW, RFERL/CurrentTV) launched russian language youtube channels with independent information. Additionally well known russia-based opposition media TV Dozd launched their YT channel in 2010 (many other russian opposition media too). I believe Youtube isn't censored in russia to this day. It definitely wasn't censored all the way up to Feb 2022.
In 2010, access to YT was universal was mostly on computers, but by 2014 when the russians invaded Ukraine, everyone had access to youtube on their phones, literally 5 seconds to accessing independent news. Even older russians actively use youtube, so you can't argue that it's too difficult (it's really not). They don't like free speech and they don't want to hear the truth.
The vast majority of the russian people are genocidal imperialists and they support and enable the putin regime. There is nothing suspicious about this.
Sources are at the bottom of my post. Do you have anything beyond "To quote one Russian woman"?
Lol "white washing Russian racism," when I say we shouldn't advocate to genocide a country for having racist people. You aren't advocating for genocides of all the other racist countries.
Again, what people are allowed to say publicly isn't the same as their actual opinion. Many many Russians are literally related to Ukrainians, especially at the border, and many have married each other and would travel back and forth between the countries as is common in Eastern Europe.
What I said wasn't false at all. You in fact confirmed it lol. Also, those casualties could be repeat casualties as they have sent people back to war even with injuries.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/crp/2025/07/31/putins-militant-buryats-and-the-ukraine-war-myths-and-facts/
Again, their lives depend on them lying about this. It's like asking North Koreans if the absolutely love Kim Jong Un. They have to say yes publicly. They literally send bad faith actors tontest people and snatch them into prisons. Anyone is dangerous and suspect, even a poll.
By your own admission there are significant Russian peoples rising against this administration. So by your own admission everything you said justifying your advocacy of their genocide was false. One being Pussy Riot ofc. Use Youtube? Some of these people don't have electricity or plumbing and cant read. Not to mention many literally believe their government monitors absolutely everything online anyway, so they can't really seek out online content without significant education in cyber security... which they also can't look up without suspicion.
YOU are a genocidal imperialist. That's you projecting onto them.
Lol this is all so pathetic of you and stems from your inability to make friends/being a loser when there, so you have a personal vendetta to genocide them all. Assuming you aren't a literal warmongering bot.
I knew you would ignore the research I cited. If you bothered to read the articles, you would have known that the list experiment methodology specifically addresses the notion of preference falsification (i.e it accounts for the number of people lying; it is small).
I cited a source that show 85% support for the annexation of Crimea (with accounting for preference falsification) and you come up with this bullshit.
Thank you for this! I couldn't have done a better job myself.
P.S. I do know several Ukrainians from border oblasts with russian relatives. Not a single one even called them to ask if they were OK.
How can a poll get an accurate answer if everyone is paranoid they will be killed unless they all say the same thing? Do you think the polls of North Koreans are accurate? Yeah, 100% of North Koreans SAY they love their government, but that isn't actually true.
There is no way to detect lying. That is the consensus of every expert on lying in the world. We have never been able to trick people into revealing inner thoughts they didn't want to, not for thousands of years. Not with all the drugs and torture by intelligence agencies for decades, not with lie detectors. In fact what you linked admits there are limitations, because asking ANY question about the war scares Russians and makes them think it is a government entity spying on them. Also, the survey was done online, where Russia psyops dominate, and could partially be a measure of online bots.
I doubt you know any Ukrainians, because they are literally working with Russian rebels and they understand this as well. Russians not being able to communiate for fear of death by their government supports my points.
I told you you that we are not going to create a Nobel in sociology just for you. Just because you think "There is no way to detect lying" doesn't make it true. The methodology is clearly explained in the first article I cited, list experiments don't involved asking question you lazy ignoramus.
I live in Ukraine. I am originally from Donbas. You don't know jack shit about russia, Ukraine or the war.
What SPECIFICALLY do you want done to the Russian people to make them suffer via violence - your words - be specific. List the actions. And then we can discuss if those fall into torture or mass killing categories.
I read that article and again, anything mentioning the war will always get that response from Russians because they fear government crackdown. But I accept we disagree here, fine.
So: What SPECIFICALLY do you want done to the Russian people to make them suffer via violence - your words - be specific. List the actions. And then we can discuss if those fall into torture or mass killing categories.
Also, sure, Jan, you totally live in Ukraine and are just happening to mention it now, so that you can justify your advocacy of genocide.
What about the big drinking problem that most Russians have. How does that factor into it?
Lol substance use is a medical condition, don't be ableist.
Seriously, do you think the fact that 90% of Russian men are drunkards affects their world view and makes them more prone to violence?
What SPECIFICALLY do you want done to the Russian people to make them suffer via violence - your words - be specific. List the actions, coward. And then we can discuss if those fall into torture or mass killing categories.
i dont want anyone to suffer. Peace and love to all.