this post was submitted on 20 Sep 2025
156 points (100.0% liked)

Ukraine

10894 readers
496 users here now

News and discussion related to Ukraine

Matrix Space


Community Rules

πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ Sympathy for enemy combatants is prohibited.

🌻🀒No content depicting extreme violence or gore.

πŸ’₯Posts containing combat footage should include [Combat] in title

🚷Combat videos containing any footage of a visible human involved must be flagged NSFW

❗ Server Rules

  1. Remember the human! (no harassment, threats, etc.)
  2. No racism or other discrimination
  3. No Nazis, QAnon or similar
  4. No porn
  5. No ads or spam (includes charities)
  6. No content against Finnish law

πŸ’³ Defense Aid πŸ’₯


πŸ’³ Humanitarian Aid βš•οΈβ›‘οΈ


πŸͺ– Volunteer with the International Legionnaires


See also:

!nafo@lemm.ee

!combatvideos@SJW


founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

For sure. It's clear they are not going to do anything out of their own accord and only relatively harsh methods will work.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's here where you agreed with the (now banned and removed) comment that we should genocide them. It's exactly why I said what the fuck.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I do agree that only harsh methods will work against the russians. Where is the contradiction and support for genocide?

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What are those methods specifically, you didn't answer.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are no harsh methods outside of torture and mass killings? You can't come up with anything.

And you didn't answer for your bullshit lying about how most russians don't support the war. When it's proven (with accounting for preference falsification) that a strong majority support the full scale invasion and an overwhelming majority support the annexation of Crimea, the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine.

More projection - YOU can't come up with anything. This isn't MY suggestion, it's YOURS - so I am asking you to tell me what YOU came up with and volunteered on here. Say it now. Be specific. What SPECIFICALLY do you want done to the Russian people to make them suffer via violence - your words - be specific. List the actions. And then we can discuss if those fall into torture or mass killing categories.

I did account for that and explained that thoroughly.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

What exactly is the issue?

A strong majority of Russians are commited supporters of genocidal imperialism. If we add pro-imperialism russians who aren't explicitly supportive of the extermination of their neighbours' culture, language and identity, and mass summary killings, you have an overwhelming majority of the country (85%) supportive of genocidal imperialism or just imperialism.

They are not going just change just like that. They will need to suffer, the best option is to treat them like they treat others (without excesses like torture and mass summary killings that are broadly supported in russia).

One isn't doing the russians any favours by supporting and enabling their worst impulses and playing into their victimhood narratives.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

See my other comments itt.

You come across as a bot intentionally warmongering, and you’re literally advocating for genocide yourself for the crime of… genocide. Put forth by Putin, and not by the Russians as a whole.

That's like wanting to kill every American because of Trump hating PoC and gays and women - that would kill the PoC and gays and women.

This is obvious. So I assume you are a bad faith actor.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is obvious. So I assume you are a bad faith actor.

By the same logic, would it be reasonable for me assume you too are a bad faith actor and you are interested in supporting and enabling russian genocidal imperialism? I am genuinely curious.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure, that was always allowed, although the second part is a strawman. I never advocated for that, but you explicitly advocated for their genocide even while knowing there are radicals there trying to fight against this. Bad faith actors advocate for genocide.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the best option is to treat them like they treat others (without excesses like torture and mass summary killings that are broadly supported in russia).

"Bad faith actors advocate for genocide."

Genocide without mass killings and explicit avoidance of torture, fascinating stuff.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You advocated for mass killings several times and agreed with the other commenter calling for it who has now been banned and comments removed. Your disclaimer is an attempt at gaslighting.

But go ahead, how can you be violent towards Russians and give them everything they've got without mass killing or essentially torture? Answer. What did you mean when you said they needed to suffer and have violence towards them? What's your plan specifically?

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Where did I advocate for mass killings?

So let me get this straight. You're saying suffering does not exist outside of torture and death? Am I getting you correctly?

And bombing their admin facilities, airports, ports, power planets (in the middle of winter, just like they did in Ukraine) is not an example of violence? Yeah? We are going non-violently blow up the power plant, yes?

Now you answer about your bullshit that russians are all afraid, when the research clearly shows that strong majority support the full scale invasion (even with preference falsification) and an overwhelming majority support the annexation of Crimea (the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine) with no one hiding their preference.

What SPECIFICALLY do you want done to the Russian people to make them suffer via violence - your words - be specific. List the actions, coward. And then we can discuss if those fall into torture or mass killing categories.

Bombing would indeed lead to mass death, regardless of if people are directly bombed or if the stuff they live off of is bombed. Ukraine is allowed to defend itself against Russia, self defense isn't generally considered violence anyway, and Ukraine is not advocating for every Russian person to be harmed at all, in fact they explicitly try to target PUTIN and his admin - something you have failed to criticize at all.

Do you like Putin? Why are you excusing what he's doing and blaming it on the victims? When significant amounts of Russians have loterally died and been tortured etc for fighting against him and the wars and violence HE perpetuates as their fascist dictator. That's a brave people.

Again, already explained, will have to agree to disagree on that last part.

So: What SPECIFICALLY do you want done to the Russian people to make them suffer via violence - your words - be specific. List the actions, coward. And then we can discuss if those fall into torture or mass killing categories.