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the first arest done related to the shooting was literaly a leftist ( the old pedophile)
A public figure on tv network is held by standard and that s litteraly why he was removed
if u question why telling the truth is better for society i feel all your argument regarding the other side of yours can be dismissed.
I see any relation to that topic and if your argument is i can do that cause x does that then it can also be dismissed. also i really think you exagerate a virus that have a 0.1% of killing under 50 ppl. But that might be related to your already mortal obesity rate.
In my book he could even make fun of kirk. I dont like it but it s his right. Lying on national tv isnt
Yeah. The FBI is now run by an unqualified idiot, and he arrested the wrong person. Kash Patel is in a much higher office than Kimmel and should apologize for arresting who was obviously the wrong suspect according to you.
Every person who reported on that mistake as if it was true should also apologize, but I guess massively fucking up an FBI investigation is a good excuse to lie according to you? Do I understand that right?
Explain to me why you think Kimmels position as an public entertainer should be held to a higher standard than those in public office like the President. Seriously. Explain it.
Because it shouldnt. Political polices, not entertainment, are most effective when they're based on truth. We don't need truth in entertainment, we need truth in politics.
Trump and his entire cabinet should apologize for mistakenly believing the left was responsible, after the FBI apologizes for arresting who was clearly the wrong person.
This truth would have a far greater impact on society than Kimmel admitting he also made a mistake. Do you agree?
I'm not. I'm asking you to specifically tell me how Kimmel telling the truth is better for society COMPARED to Trump and his entire Cabinet doing the same.
It's a basic compare and contrast question, that I'll simplify into:
Which of the below would have a greater societal benefit in telling the truth:
Trump apologizing for lying about the left based on Patel massively fucking up and arresting the obvious wrong person.
Kimmel apologizing for lying about the right based on actual facts that were read in a way Trump didn't like.
Use your words to describe the benefits of each societal outcome rather than just saying one is better than the other (if you can.)
Because it is painfully obvious which would be better to society, and literally no one should have an issue seeing that if they're not logically compromised.
Seriously, honest question: how do you feel about the President lying on national TV? Or the head of the FBI?
Is it seriously only a bad thing to you when Kimmel does it? Because it really seems like your entire point of the Truth needing to being said on national TV is constructed entirely outside of Trump being our president and lying all the time.
Honestly, I find it sad that you think Kimmel needs to tell the truth, when our President has publically lied 162 times on TV this year alone. Here they all are:
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/11/nx-s1-5070566/trump-news-conference
Every single lie has a source. Every lie has a detailed description of how it was a lie.
This is in addition to the 30573 other lies he told to the public on TV during his first administration. Here's that list:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/
If you honestly care about the truth and how that benefits society, then why are you giving Trump a free pass to lie? Trump holds a higher office, is on TV, and based on my above links, lies much more frequently than Kimmel.
So, explain to me why you feel Trump doesn't need to ever publicly tell the truth, or admit when he's lying, but you think Kimmel does.
Seriously. Just answer this one question in a reasonable way, and maybe you have a point to make. I'll take any avoidance in talking about Trump as an admission that you're compromised by their propaganda.
it s not the fbi that did the arest but the security on the campus. And if u have a shooting and somebody gldly claim i did it yes i want him arrested and at least charge with obstruction to justice.
Give an exemple of anybody in charge of the investigation that said he was the shooter ?
Cause national tv is subject to law that doesnt abide political figure.
i agree but the dude was definetly a leftist and definetly not a maga
Tyler robinson is the killer he confesse it and his own familly told he was a leftist
I think it s wrong but regarding that case i didnt seen instance of it comming from them
i think it s wrong and i dont support it.
Cause like i said a network isnt held accountable the same way a politician is. I agree lying politician is bad and i dont suport it
Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kash-patel-under-scrutiny-misreporting-charlie-kirk-suspects-capture
Here you go. Literally the head of the FBI saying the 71 yo they caught who wasn't the shooter is "the subject for the horrific shooting today that took the life of Charlie Kirk is now in custody."
Here's what happened when that guy got arrested:
Patel before bothering to learn any of this:
Everyone in the MAGA sphere then went on to lie about the left as violent because of this.
Going so far as to delete the DOJ study proving the right is responsible for 70% of mass shootings.
https://people.com/department-of-justice-quietly-deletes-study-after-charlie-kirk-death-that-says-right-wing-extremists-engage-in-far-more-political-violence-11811580
And you want to believe Kimmel apologizing is somehow magically better for society? Is his apology going to bring back these publically funded studies paid for by our tax dollars?
Explain this reasoning of yours. Please. Because it's truly insane to me.
And I do not say this lighty - but I have to because you honestly believe this:
Show me this law. It does not exist. Fox News can lie to you. It's technically entertainment and not news. Their lawyers argued this in court and won.
https://niemanreports.org/fox-dominion-lawsuit/
On air they said the opposite because they're allowed to lie. Because its legal for them to lie to you on television.
But it is NOT legal for anyone holding public office to lie.
Here is that law: https://www.mololamken.com/knowledge-Is-It-a-Crime-To-Lie-to-the-Government-Even-If-You-Are-Not-Under-Oath
Patel didn't know the person first arrested for the shooting was obviously not the culprit. But he lied and said he was. Saying this with certainty when the facts are unknown is a lie. Seeing as Patel is part of the Judicial branch, this is also illegal.
It is incredibly disheartening to hear you believe that Kimmel is guilty of some crime here instead of the FBI being lead by an incompetent lying idiot who is feeding national division by eagerly lying about a suspect in custody to fit a narrative before any information about them is confirmed. The damage caused by this is unquestionably larger than anything Kimmel has done, and you can't prove otherwise because you're unwilling to admit team Trump even lies at all, despite them being the only ones in all of this legally obligated to tell the truth.
in the article u link he s criticized for that. And the left being violent isnt a first and like i said before the shooter is antifa affiliated and while we didnt have the shooter we had the bullet casing before with antifa slogan.
heard about that story but from i understand it was data that was missrepresented same as the adl one who post all anti goovernement action as far right. but that s not the subject here.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/73.1217
about the next point u have your answer in this part "within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the United States. You must “know” that what you are saying is a lie to make you guilty of this crime."
??? did u misstype ? anyway im not sure he was lying since he retract his statement in 2 hour. like see he retract false statement. The same i said kiemel should be abble to do
im all for a wolrd where incompetence is a crime.
they retracted false informations. in the end the killer is still a leftist. Also not abide by the same law. but i agree bad information comming from the head of the fbi is bad and i condomne thoses
I'm sorry, but you're hopeless.
The shooter being a "leftist" is obviously all you care about. Not the truth. Not what's legal. It doesn't matter at all to you that the FBI literally lied about the shooter being a leftist before they even caught the real guy.
Do you not understand how that means they are willing to lie to you about anyone being a leftist before there's evidence?
Do you not understand that anything Trumps team calls left you'll just hate without thinking about it? Do you not understand how you've literally already proven this is the case with Kirks shooter? It's also painfully obvious why you can't bother to admit how much Trump lies.
Because then you might understand how many innocent people have already been punished simply because Trump lied about them being leftist / illegal / bad to you just to get votes.
Literally thousands of examples of this exist by the way.
It would be great if you could actually care about this, instead of the snowflake reaction you're having about Kimmel.
But it does explain why this country has gone to shit. Because you let TV tell you who the bad guys are, and didnt bother to make sure TV wasn't lying to you about it. So now Americans are the bad guys, and you're okay with that because they're "leftists".
Trump can now say whatever he wants and you will believe it as true without ever checking. Hell, you'll even defend his lies now. Just as you have with the removal of the DOJ report on violent right wing extremism.
Here's two more Independant studies all proving the data in the deleted report was true: (Which in turn proves you defended the lie about the data being poor before checking to see if was true.)
https://www.start.umd.edu/publication/comparison-political-violence-left-wing-right-wing-and-islamist-extremists-united
https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2024
The above is true, do you agree? Yes or no answer is all you need. Prove you care about the truth more than Trump by admitting what he won't.
Dude accuse the shooter of being maga
Shooter is leftist
Said that your oposant interest depend on the shooter affiliation to disprove a lie on that subject. You are really smart
Tell me is the shooter was maga yes or no ?
No. Never accused him of being MAGA either. Literally read this conversation again to see.
You just want this chat to be about the political affiliation of the Kirk shooter because its the only narrative you've been fed that you know how to defend.
Your turn:
Does Trump lie to your face? Yes or no.
By all means, keep on proving to be a coward that can't admit Trump lies to you. Going on what, like three requests of mine by now? You must really like being lied to as long as by it's someone you think is better than you. Turns out, he lied to you about that too.
We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it,
Ok that s gonna be it. I can t discussed with unintelligent person
My dude. That is not me you are quoting at all. Try again. But with my name talking about the shooter being MAGA. Good luck.
Trump lies to your face, yes or no? 4th time I've asked.
Call me unintelligent all you want, at least I have balls big enough to answer you. Go ahead and prove me right for a 4th time by being a baby about not answering.
I mean this: literal children can answer my question, why can't you?
I'm not talking about you I'm talking about the dude who got suspended by saying he was maga and who is the subject of the conversation. Are you real Here ? Tell me. Does kimel lied yes or no ? For any no you invent applied it to trump and u have my answer same for every yes eve' if it s just you derailing the conversation to not accept the fact that kimel lied and got rightfully punished for it
Did Kimmel lie? No. Absolutely not.
The comment was about MAGA influencers like Trump himself saying the following:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/maga-reacts-to-the-assassination-of-charlie-kirk
Simply put:
Trump is MAGA gang. This comment of his characterizes the shooter as anything other than MAGA. And he's doing it to score political points. (Instead of mending a clearly devided nation).
Here's what Kimmel said:
Show me the lie.
I'm certain I'll be asking you that till I'm blue in the face too.
I already pointed out the law. So nothing Kimmel did was illegal, therefore he deserved no punishment.
We're literally back to talking about someing I've already proven was false. Kimmel doing something illegal is false, and comes from the lies you can't admit Trump makes to your face.
Never said it was illegal cause it depend on a judgement that will never happen cause the network doesn't even want to take that chance. But what I said and what is true is it could be under the hoax legislation.
Kimmel saying he was maga was a lie. Your word soup about that won't change the fact he lied.
Show me where he says this. He doesn't. You are lying.
Your lack of reading comprehension to understand this is not an excuse. I literally walked you though his comment.
There is no hoax legislation. Otherwise link it. You are lying.
We have the first Amendment. You are ignoring.
Kimmel is being punished for upsetting Trump, not for doing anything illegal. He never said the shooter was MAGA. Yet you're okay with Trump violating the first Amendment of the Constitution because of that lie.
One of several lies you can't admit Trump makes, or that my links show.
Literally dude, you can't even think for yourself and it's embarrassing at this point.
Proof: Does Trump lie to your face?
Yes or No.
Fifth time I've asked.
You can't answer because that would be you thinking for yourself instead of Trump doing it for you.
By all means prove me right for a fifth time by being too scared to answer a yes or no question.
Here you go
https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/guides/hoaxes
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2024-title47-vol4/pdf/CFR-2024-title47-vol4-sec73-1217.pdf
You should mb get in contact with the gouvernement that vote this law
He still lied and your word soup doesnt change that fact. I dont even know why you search a parallel wich isnt one and isnt related to that case.
It's not a hoax if what he told is true. Kimmel did not lie.
He never said the shooter was MAGA.
He said MAGA people like you want the shooter to be anything other than MAGA. Which you do.
Here's the "Hoax" of his statement:
Let's simplify it with three changes to:
Which is true. Remember? You want them to be a leftist as you've often said?
That is not a Hoax. Just you spreading multiple lies.
And just like the head of our FBI, Patel, you're calling the shooter something they aren't too early:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/no-evidence-charlie-kirk-shooting-left-wing-groups-rcna232513
Here's literal proof there's no evidence the shooter is a leftist according to three sources as linked above.
You are literally repeating lies before checking to see if they're true, and giving our government a pass to do the same. It's embarrassing. And damaging.
Because IF what Kimmel said IS NOT a Hoax, THEN IT IS a violation of our first Amendment rights.
Something you should be protecting. But can't, because you can't admit:
Trump lies to your face: yes or no?
Killer kill because of political disagreement. Isnt link with opposing political position..... Yeah that must be that specially when related to the shooter said he was deeply invested into the political opposition of the victim.
Like if a nazi killed a proheminent left figure and didn't talk about his plan and your reactions would be like yeah no link between his idea and action. Right
Trump lies to your face:
A) Yes B) No
You C) None of the above C) None of the above C) None of the above C) None of the above C) None of the above C) None of the above
One question. Answer it.
I have the freedom to do so, you do not. Because you are not free.
In America, we can say Trump lies. When that's no longer the case, we don't have America.
You censor yourself from the truth, because the truth is you've been conned into letting America die.
You are literally ignoring America for what a conman has convinced you America should be. All MAGA is about is making Trump and his friends richer, not America better.
I dont have to answer tour question cause it s not the subject and one wrong doesn't make it right in the both sens. Your rebuttal of what is litteraly a lie specially when he s given the opportunity to explain himself further and to just walk back a false stetament is hypocritical. Tell me what he said when he come back on broadcast
Troll
My rebuttle was a one sentence description of how what Kimmel said was the truth.
One sentence. No lie. I even simplified it for better reading comprehension.
You are just unwilling to use your brain to see it that way, the same way you are unwilling to answer a single question.
I answered yours. Multiple times. Despite you insulting me.
So sure, you don't NEED to answer off topic questions. But it certainly would be nice to see you practice what you preach instead of always running away from words and sentences. Words can never hurt you, just sticks and stones.
It's clear to me why you can't even read a sentence or answer a yes or no question. As that would require a freedom you have already willingly given up: Thinking for yourself.
You have spent this entire conversation repeating talking points I've proven to you are lies. Lies you can't admit to hearing, so you'll repeat them without caring. You never think to yourself if they might be real. Because you've given up the ability to think for yourself now that MAGA can do it for you.
New YES or NO:
Have you lied to me?
All proven lies, with supported links I've already provided.
No offense. But only an idiot would believe you weren't lying to me about Kimmel at this point too.
These are your actions. Adults usually care when they are caught lying repeatedly, because it makes them appear untrustworthy. Which is what you very much appear as now.
Prove you can be trusted:
YES or NO:
Have you lied to me?
I can't think for you. Maybe consider doing it yourself if you haven't in a while?
i applaud your dedication. you give a true sens to words like keyboard warrior. but im gonna be honest, what i call a 1 u call it a 2 and we simply can't agree on fondamental point. for me he lied and that s it, youe explanation are excuse and that s it. Your self importance and preachy attitude telling me i can't think for myself is simple uncheck ego. Cause yeah any free thinker that are smart enough will conclude as you, cause on any subject the issue of disagreement is always because of ppl being lesser than other. Since you couldnt admit he was simple and plain lying i had fun reading what you send but that becamme ridicoullous the faact u seem to belive you right on any point. so im just gonna debunk your false accusation of your last post and we gonna see what your boy gonna say when he comme back on tv, cause u watch him right ? you didnt do all of this for not watching him ?
i didnt lied about Patel, i repost info as they were i didnt lied about politician needing to tell the truth, you seem to forget that what you cite is about a particular contexte that doesnt apply H24 7/7 about the shooter being leftits you are dishonest and u know it. u dont shoot a right wing commentator with casing where it s written cath that facist plus telling it was against hate and your own familly telling you were under leftist influence to dismiss everything cause now u find authority that are worth your trust cause they said something that please you but all the other where wrong.
i simply enjoying the fact that's your gonna watch jimmy your boy and i wont even impose that at gantanamo. have fun having somebody that did black face and harass women on national tv as your idol. you make my day.
we have the heroes we desserve and yours are one that use violence against somebody that peacefully debate others without hate or violence and the other is preachy asshole that s the most corporate bland of tv that like i said did black face and harrass women on national tv. But i know your moral compass is it s all square if they agree with you
i hade fun watching this :https://youtu.be/uLTeMC81FV0 but i will have more fun knowing you watched jimmy kiemel rofl
What I call a 1 is a 1. All the evidence I provided says it's a 1. You are just unwilling to admit it's anything but a 2.
Because you were lied to about it being a 2. So you are literally unwilling to see it any other way - because that would require admitting Trump lies to you. Which you very clearly lack the ability to do.
I honestly don't give a shit about Kimmel. But I do give a shit about his right to say whatever he wants in a free country because I'm an American.
You believe lies instead of the constitution. And are too weak to admit it.
Here's proof: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/22/business/media/jimmy-kimmel-returns-abc.html
Kimmel's coming back to TV because he didn't do anything wrong in our free country. So, why have you been on the OPPOSITE SIDE of that conversation this whole time?
Whatever your 2 is, sure isn't American. Yes or No?
Lmao. I dont know what s your fixation on him but I never talk about him. It has nothing to do with the subject matter. All I will say on the subject is I'm glad he s the president on the sole fact he seem to piss you a lot.
About your article can't read a paywall and while it morphed litteraly mean change in something else like it wasn't the original subject. Tell me what he said when he goes back online. And keep watching him he s so talented and a net plus for society