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[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LIB that is not how voting works. They will never try to earn our votes

[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The Democratic party did shift when socialist party membership was growing in the US and also when the black panther party was becoming popular. I think at this point you're right, they would probably just rather lose to Republicans these days than compromise and risk making their corporate friends mad.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's true that they did at those times. I don't think that at this point there will be any concessions to workers for a few reasons, but mainly because at the time you're talking about capital was operating under the Kenyesian model which it took on to adapt to the economic crisis of the Great Depression in addition to donestic labor movements and the existence of the USSR.

Now the combination of neoliberal ideology and the fall of the USSR making them believe in the end of history, i don't think we'll ever see concessions again

[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You are absolutely correct but I don't think that's necessarily a reason to not vote or support third parties anymore. If anything, there's an even greater need for us to count our numbers now.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think voting where and how it could be effective makes sense, particularly at the local level. National politics i don't think can meaningfully be affected by us at this moment, but i wouldn't tell anyone to not vote

[–] marx_mentat@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

No of course not, but there is value in counting our forces.