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The New York Times, like you say, is a trusted source for liberals. The article is of course, considering the source, from a pro-NATO perspective. It includes the opinion that the West should have been quicker to arm Ukraine and fear mongers "pro-Ukrainians" (read fascists) becoming the subject of political repression in the annexed territories. However, it goes into great detail regarding US/NATO involvement in the conflict and reveals how it is in-fact a NATO Russia proxy war rooted in NATO's goals of expansion and destabilizing Russia.
DeepSeek Summary
Based on the provided search results, the archived New York Times article (available at https://archive.ph/jTAcu) details the secretive and extensive intelligence-sharing relationship between the United States and Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War, particularly from 2022 onwards. Here is a summary of its key points:🔍 Key Summary Points:
💎 Overall Significance:
The article reveals the depth and complexity of the U.S.-Ukraine intelligence partnership, highlighting both its effectiveness in countering Russian advances and the underlying tensions, risks, and geopolitical calculations involved. It also critiques the U.S. for a sometimes inconsistent and overly cautious approach, which may have prolonged the conflict and increased human suffering .
For further details, you can access the full article here.
Yes, thanks, I get it.
Totally. It's easy to forget, that this is not obvious for libs.
From the AI summary:
This is one of the points that I was sceptical about when reading the original article. I'm ready to believe, that intelligence was shared that lead to the destruction of the ship. But I don't think intentions or emotional reactions can be reliably established. I mean, yes, it could have been this way and maybe that's exactly how it happened. Or, maybe, they totally did share this intelligence on purpose. I can easily imagine an editor or pentagon contact going: "well in this case we can't really say we wanted that escalation, it doesn't quite fit the reasonable image we want to get across to our audience, oh, I know, just say it wasn't intentional, that'll work and also spice up the story nicely "
I completely agree. Engaging in proxy warfare is largely about establishing the illusion of plausible deniability after all. I suppose it was careless of me to not add a disclaimer. I assumed most comrades here would know to separate the opinion from fact, but you can never be too cautious.