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But but...
Also remember that two of those elderly madmen were voted in.
They're not the cause of their respective countries' problems, they're a symptom.
The tidalwave of misery they unleash unto this world is something their countrymen wanted.
Well, Trump and friends rigged the election, so I wouldn't say it's what the countrymen wanted.
Uh evidence? Bullshit from people on the left is every bit as bad as bullshit from the right.
They did it legally through gerrymandering and said they were going to "fix the machines" before the election. I believe them. Trump even said months before the election to not worry about the votes, he's got it covered or something like that. This was way before Biden got old.
You say that as if Trump were a reliable narrator.
True, true. I don't think he meant to say this one out loud though. He wasn't speaking at a rally, he was speaking to a fellow republican.
Gerrymandering doesn't apply to presidential elections.
Yes it does in some states. The people who were elected through gerrymandering have a say in who runs the election boards and what the election laws are in a lot of those states. You can bet your ass that they have charts upon charts laying out exactly which states and how they can do that.
I'm pretty sure the members of the US House of Representatives don't have a say in who is on the election boards or state election laws.
Trump said this in the context of Christians who usually don’t vote. “Vote for me this once and you won’t need to vote again”.
Not like that really matters because of his other actions and also facts don’t mean anything anymore.
You're right, but he said it in other ways as well. It had another shitty headline like, "People are concerned by Trump's voting declaration."
Ya I agree with you. He has stated his intentions in many ways through his actions. The problem is:
A right winger sees people misquoting him, makes a YouTube video pointing out how “silly the left is” by this technical misquote, and then an impressionable non political person goes ‘damn they’re right’ and now starts listening to Joe Rogan.
I don't give a shit about a youtuber, they'll make shit up if they do or don't need to. I see the right wing as being ran by trolls at this point. Ya know, because they are. There are paid trolls here on Lemmy, I can't imagine how bad youtube is.
You’re in a war and I’m saying that this is giving your enemy additional ammunition. You’re totally correct - they’re ran by trolls. Trolls are highly effective weapons against those with poor media literacy. The majority are media illiterate and lack digital skills.
I know what you're saying. I'm saying they'll make up what they need, so say whatever you want.
They’ll say whatever they want but if they can base their bullshit on an ounce of truth, it’s got a lot of power used on the public.
He straight up said it on camera like 3 separate times.
https://old.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/
They literally just demanded Texas gerrymander. Also, the Supreme Court who was stacked conservative demanded Alabama redraw district lines for disenfranchising black people. Alabama refused, and it was such a pathetic cheat that their own side had to once again demand the draw lines fairly. The only evidence of election tampering is the kaleidoscope swirls that are the voting district lines in red states. It is stealing and cheating.
These three played the American left like a fiddle in order to make it splinter and let trump get power back. What’s worse is Americans were warned they would do it
with the help of rigging the election, and voter suppression. the one on the right, rigged his way in the first place.
They all were, initially. Putin just has had time to cement his rule so much that elections don't matter
Could you imagine how bad Harris would have been though?
Not sure if this sarcasm or not 😆
Whatever you do, don’t focus on the sick culture at the center of America that caused this. It’s probably some minority group that caused it by not voting hard enough!
Sure that's a problem. Also. Sit your non-voting ass down for actively allowing bad shit to happen.🤷
If you've gotta be convinced why not standing up to this before it happened was worth doing, you can convince the rest of us why you've got any right to talk at all. I'm sure when the perfect election comes along you can snipe it, but when real decisions are made
WE. CANT. COUNT. ON. YOU.
If the US gets a decent resolution at the end of this, it's in spite of you as much as in spite of the R.
I voted Harris and I voted Biden, and I’ve literally never been able to have a discussion about how blaming non-voters is both stupid and nonproductive without someone coming in hot to unload their election related emotional trauma on me like you just did.
Check your assumptions about people and why they believe what they believe. Or just keep screaming at anyone that says your trigger phrase, it seems to be working wonders.
Cool.
If you can't see how practical decision making works I don't want to talk to you. Apparently you understand it, but still want to apologize for those who cant.
I don't have to blame non voters, but I can honestly say screw them. 3 more years and change of this to teach that party against Orange Hitler a lesson for not being good enough. I hope it's worth it and they don't all get to take their cute blahaj stuffies to federal summer camp.
Edit: To be extra clear, I don't blame non voters exclusively for this situation we are in, but I resent them for it, find it totally stupid, and don't have a lot much sympathy for any consequences a non voter walks into.
You mean like the people in blue states who know their electoral vote is going to be blue no matter what? Or the people in deep red states who know it won’t be blue even if every Democratic voter in an adjacent state came over and voted blue? Even though it literally wasn’t possible for them to change the election outcome no matter how they voted?
Is that the kind of practical decision making we’re talking about?
Because that sure sounds like voting as a performative religious rite, and that shit is stupid. People in solid red states* were never going to win blue electoral votes, anyone insisting otherwise literally doesn’t understand how presidential elections work in the US. Same for anyone who thinks some leftist in New York was putting America in peril by voting third party.
* Except Nebraska, which splits its votes based on district rather than whole state only.
You've got options. You can vote swap, you can move, or sure you can bemoan the system, but let's be real:
This is totally in no way what you or the other guy are arguing above. It would even be relevant if we werent such an obvious attempt at an out from the discussion.
The people no voting are not doing it as a fight against the electoral voting system. It's smug ass, holier than thou, if I can't vote for the perfect candidate I'll take my ball and go home and trump (or whatever authoritarian may show up here or in any other country) isnt my fault.
Yeah, sometimes voting a performative ritual. If you show up and tell us how you justify not voting against tyranny when it's got any chance of being the alternative to people getting shot and you still look like an asshat.
Minorities? Thats sounds RADICAL LEFTIST talk for IMMGRANTS! DEPORT them covefed!
Actually the group of people who voted Trump in combined with the group of people who didn't vote and decided that they were okay with being complacent with him getting power was a majority of Americans.
It’s funny how ‘people who didn’t vote because they felt disgusted by both options,’ ‘people who didn’t vote because they live in a red state and agree with Trump,’ and ‘people who didn’t vote because they live in a blue state and knew their electoral votes were going blue anyway’ get flattened into a single group that are to blame, and also synonymous with Trump voters. Yay, that’s so much easier and less scary than confronting the wild racism and fascism at the heart of America!
Could you imagine how bad Harris would have been though?
Yeah, that’s the spirit! Like I said, whatever you do, don’t focus on the sick culture at the center of America that caused this
It would have been the same as before, but have 4 years to actually prepare for better candidates... now you better be spending the 4 years preparing to die for your right to vote.
I'll say it. I don't/didn't love Harris. I thought she threw Biden under the bus way too quickly. I voted for her and think she would have done 1000x better.
Hey, don’t forget: both sides