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"I-it-It's s-so terrifying"
Like shut up, soft little doughboy goddamn
He's just a human showing a very human reaktion. He's in a position where something like this could very much happen to him, so cut him some slack. Seeing someone die will always be terrifying.
Also, using "softness" as an insult for someone irks me. If you were looking to this demsoc to get your view on political violence affirmed, or if you expected his reaction to be different, you are even more of a fool than Hasan is.
Let it be a reminder of where he stands politically and move on if you haven't already.
Whether we like it or not, Hasan IS the loudest voice of the American "left", he IS the "Joe Rogan" of American left radicalization, more so than Bernie at this late date, sad but true
So it behooves us to take his status seriously and not retreat into bubbles free of demsocs
Also I'm the site's resident Hasan defender for 4 years straight, I've cut the man mountains of slack, NOT TODAY, in this instance the dude can eat his feelings for all I care, the death of media defining fascists shouldn't be treated as a tragedy, initial shock is fine, but the dude went on, and on, and on, for eight hours to the point where even his chat was crying for Kirk, absolutely ridiculous
This is a bit much. He spent like a solid hour going over what a piece of shit Kirk was and how it's disgusting that people are now sanitizing him as a free speech warrior. He also played the clip of Kirk talking about the "tragic necessity" of gun deaths.
Where? Last I checked most of it was centered how media is white washing this fascist guy.
Ergh, gross
It didn't happen
Fair enough. Eight hours sounds ridiculous. What did he even manage to talk about for this long, lol? All I was basing my judgement on was this clip, which was very much still within reason for a demsoc. I was't aware he dragged it on for so long.
It was more like seven hours, with a lot of it being talking in circles and arguing with chat about unreliable updates on Kirk being dead, the shooter being apprehended, etc. and then a lot of time was spent looking at reactions, from several different broadcasts, twitter accounts, Trump, etc. and discussing them, as well as like an hour of just showing clips and tweets from Kirk and discussing based on those what a vile person he was and how it's fucked up to see libs whitewash him.
Eight hours was roughly the length of the whole stream (~8 hours and 19 minutes), which started an hour before he heard about the shooting, and then he was following updates, looking at reactions and old Kirk shit, and discussing things for basically the remainder of the stream. It does still seem really exhausting. I've had about the first five hours of coverage of it on in the background and it was definitely a bit repetitive. I think Hasan seeing his own death was probably a major factor, along with of course having some personal familiarity with Kirk that made it more shocking than it would be for many of the rest of us, for whom the event in and of itself is only a step above a show getting canceled outside of the gore (though I am sure it will be much more important in terms of ripple effects).
If this becomes a precident setting even like NotLuigis unfortunatly wasn't, then Hasan is right to be fearful. He's the lefts only equivalent to the Kirk/Shapiro/Crowder...(insert like 10 more here) in the US that does show himself in public regularly without any form of security detail usually. Not that that helped Kirk.
If there's someone out there looking to "even the scales" they will look for Hasan. Or am I missing someone else?
I agree, Hasan is the most logical target, and Hasan more or less said so several times on stream. The next closest figure who is out in public in America might literally be Zohran, who is somewhat different still. I think whether one or the other is targeted would depend more on where the shooter lives than anything, though age might also play a factor since the people who have a focused hatred of Hasan probably skew younger than those with a focused hatred of Zohran.
That or they just kill some not-even-demsoc lib, because we are still talking about the country where everyone you don't like gets called a communist anyway.
He was just spinning in circles making the same arguments over and over again and pointing out the obvious over and over again: "I knew Charlie Kirk, I debated Charlie Kirk, I stood on a stage with Charlie Kirk" followed by him making a morose face for two minute and then flying into doomerism; "This is so bad, this is impossible to contend with, we're so cooked" and then back pointing out he knew Charlie Kirk
Seriously, this is all he did for eight hours, no mention of Kirk's history or delving into reactions online, just making it about himself and dooming, after the third time he busted out the "I knew Charlie Kirk" line I burst out laughing
It was such an obnoxious buzzkill of a stream, in fact he was similarly comatose during election night last year where he doomed and muttered under his breath the whole night, squandering a once in 4 years audience of 350k people
How are you able to say this? Like, it was definitely a boring stream, so it makes sense that you would stop paying attention, but then why speak so confidently on its content? He absolutely did cover both of those things and spent hours on reactions online in particular, from Trump to Fox to Shapiro to CNN to fucking Asmongold (I think it was a reaction and not an old video in that case, but I'm not sure) but also went to old tweets from Kirk and the clip of him talking about the "grim necessity" of stochastic gun deaths that people are rightfully quoting from, and talking in general about how the whitewashing of Kirk by other media figures is disgusting.
I said ONLINE reactions, not the gibbering whitewashing nonsense of low viewer news corps and who cares what Asmongold thinks, that ghoul literally retired from streaming a couple days ago
Fair enough, I must've missed it, I skipped about 40 mins of the stream out of frustration
The Trump responses that I'm talking about are the AI-looking video that he posted online and there might have also been a tweet or something, Shapiro was online, Asmongold is literally the biggest political streamer, at least on Twitch (and I think he's on break, not really retired, but idk because I don't follow him), and Fox is much larger still, whether we like it or not. Plus a bunch of other online responses, even multiple officials from Israel (Bibi and others). Like, what are you looking for? I listed a few more in another comment and I think both times I forgot Owens was also there and . . . I mean, he covered a lot of people. He could have done more, you and I both agree that he wasted a tremendous amount of time, but this criticism seems silly. Like, how many online reactions does he need to cover? What's the minimum viewership? Do I need to go check the analytics on all of the legacy media who posted clips online to decide how relevant they are just because their audience is mainly older than us?
I think he did a reasonable job in this respect and it was really the dominant part of the stream that wasn't the (again we agree, over-long and pointless) talking in circles about news updates and shit.
I think I skipped basically the last 2 hours except the very end because I was morbidly curious about the Asmongold thing, which was basically the last 10 minutes. A lot of what I saw was from the bot clip channel, which posted like 90% of his stream today because traffic is traffic ig.
He spent the whole segment silently eating and yelling at chat over them noticing the AI
He's not, he lost half his "viewers" after the bot ban, which is partly why he's quitting, Hasan was guilty of presenting him as a bigger threat than he actually was, Hasan believed the views were real
It's wild how people come on here and just lie about Hasan the same way the destiny-sphere does. (Just "from the left" or something)
I can't tell if they were lying. Maybe they explained in on of their last replies but I just get tired of arguments and stop reading, which probably isn't the best response but it gives them the last word so they leave it there at least . . .
Anyway, I fully support attacking Hasan over being a demsoc, but I truly can't stand misinformation and I find it really frustrating when people engage in spreading falsehoods that they have literally no reason to believe, whether because they're lying or because of some other reason that I can't fathom. I also don't like the reactionary shit about being "soft," it just reeks of calling someone "unmanly" in so many words as another commenter said. idk, I don't like "defending" Hasan this much, but factual falsehoods and reactionary rhetoric are ways of attacking him that harm us much more than they harm demsoc-ism.
I just had two very different summarizations of the stream, but i guess either way his coverage isn't something I need to watch.
It's not a stream worth watching (it was tedious even for a Hasan stream), but CM here is flatly misrepresenting it and I'm not really sure why, since they have no reason to lie but Hasan obviously went through a ton of different reactions on stream, either playing clips or reading aloud tweets Reactions he went over included: Shapiro, Loomer, Musk, Trump, Netanyahu and a couple of other Israeli politicians, Asmon and his comment section, a couple of liberal news panels, a panel with Greg Gutfeld on Fox, and a few others I forget and one that isn't worth trying to describe, along with obviously statements from the cops and a local politician.
Like, the stream sucked and Hasan's a demsoc who said demsoc shit, but CM makes it sound like Hasan was just talking to chat/himself and replaying snuff footage for 8 hours straight, which factually isn't true.
I think part of it is perhaps more cynical - it's a big moment where he gets to redefine his image to the mainstream (which is somewhat important I guess for his outreach to new viewers).
The other part of it is very human though - he could've been sharing a stage with Kirk when it happened, and ultimately if the hogs retaliate then Hasan could end up in their crosshairs.
How is he giving affirmations or analysis. He is describing the shooting in the clip. Even probably on stream he was mostly covering news I guess. I don't see in any of those he is giving genius analysis on political violence or affirmations. Let alone considering that some none existent ideological framework that he is using.
Move on from what? consuming slop.
That clip was from him seeing the footage for the first time. What kind of brainrot do you have that you're basically calling him soy in response to a gore video where the subject is someone he personally knows and has interacted with in person? Like, there are lots of other things about his subsequent stream to justly criticize, but this is gross and just makes you look like the most obnoxious r/watchpeopledie user.
I literally said in another comment his "Initial shock is fine" and NO I didn't call him "Soy", sure I should've made it more clear I was coming in from watching his whole stream and not simply the initial react clip above
I called him SOFT because he kept repeating the "It's terrifying" line for FIVE fuckin hours, sorry my lack of radlib vocab irked you
Your clarification is noted. Your response then is less bad but still seriously failing to understand how there are multiple factors that mean that his internal reaction to this is going to be wildly different from yours, because again he knew Kirk (and has known him for several years now) and has a very similar job that also involves making frequent public appearances. He gets daily death threats that range from "this person is a terrorist and something needs to stop him" to "I will shoot you" and then saw someone who could reasonably be called less radical (much more evil, but closer to the evil political center) and who has more security, get killed on camera, which he saw three angles of. It would be alarming in its own right for this to not be even slightly traumatizing to him.
I'd be fucking terrified in that position and I'd say so for more than 5 hours (not that he was catatonic, because he was mainly saying other things even in the first hour), and perhaps I'm ""soft"" but that's probably not a strong case for why.
Lastly, yes, "soft" in this use is basically equivalent to "soy" and I'm not asking you for "radlib vocab" (fuck off, I'm the last person on this shitty radlib board to do that), I'm asking you to reconsider the actual content of what you were saying because changing out the word for some sanitized equivalent is not changing the content, and the idea that having a fucking traumatic reaction to a traumatizing event makes you "soft" is honestly one type of reactionary rhetoric that I really don't expect to see here because I'd think that the userbase could identify it as being reactionary. That's silly of me, in retrospect, because that's not quite how people handle things here.
Like, I know it's a low bar, but could we start by not deeming someone a p*ssy (idk if that one gets removed uncensored) for being terrified by the graphic killing of someone they know in a situation that could just as easily have applied to them? As others have noted and Hasan himself monotonously repeated, he was going to make a public appearance with this fucker in like two weeks. To have any more of an experience of dodging a bullet while seeing what would have happened if he didn't dodge it, he would have needed to be there!
I think a lot of his finger-wagging at chat was silly and incorrect, but come on, this is not the point to get him on.
Hasan has millions of dollars, resources he can use to secure his safety, despite that he derailed his own platform decrying the death of a famous fascist because of his fears over blowback, that's why I called him soft, not because of his sensible reaction to blood and gore, it's almost like Kirk's assassination carries a political element beyond the shock of a broadcasted and widely witnessed bloody death
Soft and "soy" are only equivalent if you ignore the concept of context, which you've studiously done TWICE now, and harping on about the fact Hasan was going to debate Kirk accomplishes what exactly? "There but the grace of god go I" ok cool commentary Mr. Millionaire can you go back to explaining why fascists dying is a good thing instead of dooming about the supposed imminent death of the left because a single fash got domed.....maybe, god forbid even platform some the public reactions that are...shock...celebrating instead of dooming
You gonna write another essay now about how I'm a heartless reactionary who loves blood and guts?
Would you really support him barricading himself in his mansion and never going out again? I wouldn't think positively of it and I'd sure be surprised if you did.
If he goes out, he faces similar risk, and while he can be safer than he has been (he usually has basically no security), but he can't be that much safer than Kirk was and still continue to go out in public frequently. As he said, a vest would not have saved Kirk, and security didn't, and even much better security probably would not have unless they directly controlled basically that entire section of the campus. You'd need to get close to Secret Service levels of proximate security, which would be an absurd cost on a frequent basis if he keeps going out as much as he usually does. The dude is rich, but he's not "I'm immortal wherever I go" rich.
You don't go on to substantiate this, unless you think that what you said somehow substantiates it. Yeah, the broadcast sucked and he absolutely fumbled a chance to make it more useful (he did a little, but it was mostly discussing Kirk getting whitewashed and rightist hypocrisy wrt violence). Based on your comment to that other person, I think perhaps you have an extremely distorted view of the broadcast because you made criticisms of it (especially elsewhere) that are obviously factually untrue. Like, you were talking like you sat through the whole broadcast* (even I didn't) but apparently didn't see what would be obvious from what's in most of the clip channels because it was most of the broadcast.
But that doesn't actually address the soft/soy thing, which is reactionary as shit, and it continues to ignore that this is legitimately likely to be traumatizing to someone in his position for reasons other than sheer gore, because it really could have been him and could yet be him! I don't think it makes sense to call him "soft" over this, because the violence that he logically put himself in the shoes of is something he has more defense against than you or I, but fundamentally his only escape is living in a bunker (which he can afford and we cannot), which he rightly refuses to do (or so it seems, if he goes Hoxha on this on more than a temporary basis, then I will condemn him right beside you).
I agree with this part
He did do this. He of course wagged his finger at chat, which I already told you I disagree with, but he did include for example people clowning on Kirk with the quote about gun deaths.
Edit: *In fact, in another comment you just said that you watched the whole thing. I have no idea how this is possible, because I don't think you're lying to people other than yourself (and even then that's on the soft thing, not the stream content), but he went through so many different reactions that I struggled to be able to list them all from memory in another comment, and he also discussed Kirk's past and his whitewashing. These are things you explicitly accused Hasan of never doing, even though you apparently corrected yourself down to him covering the killing for 7 hours rather than 8 (which is a true but unimportant thing that I mentioned, but perhaps you got it from elsewhere).
You can do alot more with millions of dollars besides "barricading" yourself in a mansion, also Hasan is a streamer he already barricades himself in his home for most of the year lmao, that's literally a meme about him
You seem to be confused about the whole Soft/Soy context thing, Soy is used by the right-wing as an insult regarding the supposed feminization of otherwise masculine men, is that seriously what you think I meant when I deployed "soft" to describe Hasan's hours long crash out concerning his fears about the death of a prominent fascist, is fear of blowback over dead fascists a universally feminine state of mind? Obviously not, instead I'm using soft as a kinder equivalent of 'COWARD', see how context matters
Also I watched 6 hours of the stream, ignored the first hour cause it was before the shooting and two hours after his initial reaction skipped about 40 mins ahead because it was literally just dead air as he stared at CNN and Fox, so yes I missed the literal 15 mins he spent on the Kirk gun control hypocrisy before going back to watching the news and dooming, besides another 10 mins of covering Mehdi Hasan's reaction and a some decent tweets, he spent the majority of the stream dooming and glooming as I initially said
Someone got off a shot at trump, close enough to clip his ear. No, Hasan can't secure his own safety. Don't be ridiculous.
Then Hasan should quit streaming and go into hiding
You said "he is a soft little doughboy" for reiterating that the prospect of getting shot at in public is terrifying.
Then you double down to say, oh he said it over several hours. So reiterating it multiple times also makes him a "soft little doughboy".
Only REAL HARD MEN will not budge at death threats or death. Only soft morons cowers at footage of death. Wow such an unmanly thing to do.
You said those things. At least own up to it. You just turned around to say you didn't mean but also you did.
If that's your 7-hour long reaction to a prominent fascist getting shot, then yes you're a SOOOOOFFFFT little doughboy who needs to get his head out of his ass, it's almost like it wasn't simply his initial concerned reaction to blowback, but instead an hours long crashout about how Kirk getting domed automatically means he's dead to rights, lol so you stfu, you didn't watch the whole stream
Sí, thanks for keeping up, in case you forgot we're talking about a millionaire who has the resources to secure his safety, not some rando working class leftie facing imminent right-wing assault over Kirk getting got
Oh yeah, we're all just talking about a random murder video, totally has nothing to with politics and the state of fascism in this country, we're just edgelords passing around dark web snuff films and laughing at people who cringe at them, that's absolutely a reasonable summary of yesterday's events. I didn't think my radlib hunch would get this validated
Is that what you call me adding context (me watching the whole shitty stream) I'm sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to do that
Cool got it.
It's terrifying because he knows there is a large group of well-armed freaks just slavering to do the same to him and he was planning to put himself in the same circumstances, with the same man, in the near future.
Yeah, that's pretty fucking scary man I dunno what to tell you. I'm not scared because this has zero impact on me, but that's not Hasan's situation. It's easy to celebrate the death when you don't have good reason to think of it as a premonition of your own near future.