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I literally said in another comment his "Initial shock is fine" and NO I didn't call him "Soy", sure I should've made it more clear I was coming in from watching his whole stream and not simply the initial react clip above
I called him SOFT because he kept repeating the "It's terrifying" line for FIVE fuckin hours, sorry my lack of radlib vocab irked you
Your clarification is noted. Your response then is less bad but still seriously failing to understand how there are multiple factors that mean that his internal reaction to this is going to be wildly different from yours, because again he knew Kirk (and has known him for several years now) and has a very similar job that also involves making frequent public appearances. He gets daily death threats that range from "this person is a terrorist and something needs to stop him" to "I will shoot you" and then saw someone who could reasonably be called less radical (much more evil, but closer to the evil political center) and who has more security, get killed on camera, which he saw three angles of. It would be alarming in its own right for this to not be even slightly traumatizing to him.
I'd be fucking terrified in that position and I'd say so for more than 5 hours (not that he was catatonic, because he was mainly saying other things even in the first hour), and perhaps I'm ""soft"" but that's probably not a strong case for why.
Lastly, yes, "soft" in this use is basically equivalent to "soy" and I'm not asking you for "radlib vocab" (fuck off, I'm the last person on this shitty radlib board to do that), I'm asking you to reconsider the actual content of what you were saying because changing out the word for some sanitized equivalent is not changing the content, and the idea that having a fucking traumatic reaction to a traumatizing event makes you "soft" is honestly one type of reactionary rhetoric that I really don't expect to see here because I'd think that the userbase could identify it as being reactionary. That's silly of me, in retrospect, because that's not quite how people handle things here.
Like, I know it's a low bar, but could we start by not deeming someone a p*ssy (idk if that one gets removed uncensored) for being terrified by the graphic killing of someone they know in a situation that could just as easily have applied to them? As others have noted and Hasan himself monotonously repeated, he was going to make a public appearance with this fucker in like two weeks. To have any more of an experience of dodging a bullet while seeing what would have happened if he didn't dodge it, he would have needed to be there!
I think a lot of his finger-wagging at chat was silly and incorrect, but come on, this is not the point to get him on.
Hasan has millions of dollars, resources he can use to secure his safety, despite that he derailed his own platform decrying the death of a famous fascist because of his fears over blowback, that's why I called him soft, not because of his sensible reaction to blood and gore, it's almost like Kirk's assassination carries a political element beyond the shock of a broadcasted and widely witnessed bloody death
Soft and "soy" are only equivalent if you ignore the concept of context, which you've studiously done TWICE now, and harping on about the fact Hasan was going to debate Kirk accomplishes what exactly? "There but the grace of god go I" ok cool commentary Mr. Millionaire can you go back to explaining why fascists dying is a good thing instead of dooming about the supposed imminent death of the left because a single fash got domed.....maybe, god forbid even platform some the public reactions that are...shock...celebrating instead of dooming
You gonna write another essay now about how I'm a heartless reactionary who loves blood and guts?
Would you really support him barricading himself in his mansion and never going out again? I wouldn't think positively of it and I'd sure be surprised if you did.
If he goes out, he faces similar risk, and while he can be safer than he has been (he usually has basically no security), but he can't be that much safer than Kirk was and still continue to go out in public frequently. As he said, a vest would not have saved Kirk, and security didn't, and even much better security probably would not have unless they directly controlled basically that entire section of the campus. You'd need to get close to Secret Service levels of proximate security, which would be an absurd cost on a frequent basis if he keeps going out as much as he usually does. The dude is rich, but he's not "I'm immortal wherever I go" rich.
You don't go on to substantiate this, unless you think that what you said somehow substantiates it. Yeah, the broadcast sucked and he absolutely fumbled a chance to make it more useful (he did a little, but it was mostly discussing Kirk getting whitewashed and rightist hypocrisy wrt violence). Based on your comment to that other person, I think perhaps you have an extremely distorted view of the broadcast because you made criticisms of it (especially elsewhere) that are obviously factually untrue. Like, you were talking like you sat through the whole broadcast* (even I didn't) but apparently didn't see what would be obvious from what's in most of the clip channels because it was most of the broadcast.
But that doesn't actually address the soft/soy thing, which is reactionary as shit, and it continues to ignore that this is legitimately likely to be traumatizing to someone in his position for reasons other than sheer gore, because it really could have been him and could yet be him! I don't think it makes sense to call him "soft" over this, because the violence that he logically put himself in the shoes of is something he has more defense against than you or I, but fundamentally his only escape is living in a bunker (which he can afford and we cannot), which he rightly refuses to do (or so it seems, if he goes Hoxha on this on more than a temporary basis, then I will condemn him right beside you).
I agree with this part
He did do this. He of course wagged his finger at chat, which I already told you I disagree with, but he did include for example people clowning on Kirk with the quote about gun deaths.
Edit: *In fact, in another comment you just said that you watched the whole thing. I have no idea how this is possible, because I don't think you're lying to people other than yourself (and even then that's on the soft thing, not the stream content), but he went through so many different reactions that I struggled to be able to list them all from memory in another comment, and he also discussed Kirk's past and his whitewashing. These are things you explicitly accused Hasan of never doing, even though you apparently corrected yourself down to him covering the killing for 7 hours rather than 8 (which is a true but unimportant thing that I mentioned, but perhaps you got it from elsewhere).
You can do alot more with millions of dollars besides "barricading" yourself in a mansion, also Hasan is a streamer he already barricades himself in his home for most of the year lmao, that's literally a meme about him
You seem to be confused about the whole Soft/Soy context thing, Soy is used by the right-wing as an insult regarding the supposed feminization of otherwise masculine men, is that seriously what you think I meant when I deployed "soft" to describe Hasan's hours long crash out concerning his fears about the death of a prominent fascist, is fear of blowback over dead fascists a universally feminine state of mind? Obviously not, instead I'm using soft as a kinder equivalent of 'COWARD', see how context matters
Also I watched 6 hours of the stream, ignored the first hour cause it was before the shooting and two hours after his initial reaction skipped about 40 mins ahead because it was literally just dead air as he stared at CNN and Fox, so yes I missed the literal 15 mins he spent on the Kirk gun control hypocrisy before going back to watching the news and dooming, besides another 10 mins of covering Mehdi Hasan's reaction and a some decent tweets, he spent the majority of the stream dooming and glooming as I initially said
Someone got off a shot at trump, close enough to clip his ear. No, Hasan can't secure his own safety. Don't be ridiculous.
Then Hasan should quit streaming and go into hiding
You said "he is a soft little doughboy" for reiterating that the prospect of getting shot at in public is terrifying.
Then you double down to say, oh he said it over several hours. So reiterating it multiple times also makes him a "soft little doughboy".
Only REAL HARD MEN will not budge at death threats or death. Only soft morons cowers at footage of death. Wow such an unmanly thing to do.
You said those things. At least own up to it. You just turned around to say you didn't mean but also you did.
If that's your 7-hour long reaction to a prominent fascist getting shot, then yes you're a SOOOOOFFFFT little doughboy who needs to get his head out of his ass, it's almost like it wasn't simply his initial concerned reaction to blowback, but instead an hours long crashout about how Kirk getting domed automatically means he's dead to rights, lol so you stfu, you didn't watch the whole stream
Sí, thanks for keeping up, in case you forgot we're talking about a millionaire who has the resources to secure his safety, not some rando working class leftie facing imminent right-wing assault over Kirk getting got
Oh yeah, we're all just talking about a random murder video, totally has nothing to with politics and the state of fascism in this country, we're just edgelords passing around dark web snuff films and laughing at people who cringe at them, that's absolutely a reasonable summary of yesterday's events. I didn't think my radlib hunch would get this validated
Is that what you call me adding context (me watching the whole shitty stream) I'm sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to do that
Cool got it.
It's terrifying because he knows there is a large group of well-armed freaks just slavering to do the same to him and he was planning to put himself in the same circumstances, with the same man, in the near future.
Yeah, that's pretty fucking scary man I dunno what to tell you. I'm not scared because this has zero impact on me, but that's not Hasan's situation. It's easy to celebrate the death when you don't have good reason to think of it as a premonition of your own near future.