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The EU is planning to strike a deal with the US that would let the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies search European databases to identify people posing “a threat to US security,” according to a proposal published by the European Commission at the end of July.

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[–] Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

How is it misleading? That's what I read in the article. And that's probably actually "Millions of innocent Europeans in police databases". These are not exclusive affirmations?

A quick search tells me just about 2 million Germans visited USA in 2024. Which is actually much more than I expected.

[–] JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How is it misleading?

The tone of the article seems to suggest a massive and unprecedented sharing of data, but in reality it’s going to concern only travellers to the US in a process alternative to requesting a visa that already requires sharing data. Moreover, traveling to the US is a choice.

If the US require that data, Europe can choose to say no, but then the US can choose to close the borders. That may be what you want, but million people would probably disagree with you.

[–] Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Most EU countries already participate in the Visa Waiver Program. This agreement is about extending it to 3 more countries in the union and ...

Where the objective of an exchange of information under a PCSC agreement is to fight terrorism and serious crime, the purpose of the exchange of information under the EBSP is potentially broader as it also concerns the areas of border management and visa policy.

... extend the content of exchanged data. So, yes, the article is right?

[–] JumpyWombat@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yes, the article is right?

I never said it wasn’t, just misleading. I’d say clickbaiting too.

One thing is to say that the US will have access to more data about EU travellers to the US, another is to say that the US will have direct access to EU databases.

[–] Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

That's true. The title might lead to think of a generalised access. The data exchange is not defined yet, and that is the work to be done as stated in the paper you linked. Annex, point 3:

In particular, the framework agreement should provide clear and precise rules and procedures for triggering a query on a traveller, to preclude a systematic, generalised and non-targeted processing of data for all travellers.