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You can still federate after the instance setup, like piefed.zip does
You said I spammed this, but you still didn't register the information?
https://hexbear.net/post/5959834/6443954
I think it's more that the admins are the only ones that can do that.
See this comment: https://lemmy.ml/post/35276820/20723645
Long story short, instances who defederate hexbear were doing so on their Lemmy instances anyway
THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS POST IS ABOUT. You are just shilling for this garbage ass perversion of lemmy at this point. You just keep spamming the same irrelevant post over and over again.
He's just very committed to making sure the Nazi bars have a good public image okay?
There's a huge post in their snark comm where they're spinning this as 'just a default' and he's pasting it there too lmao
But it literally is just a default
I did say as much in my post, it's still an ideologically motivated preset. I'm sure all those sorts would be able to create their echo chamber without it being pre-configured for them. It's hard to have 'good faith' when all the usual suspects plus its developer are posting in the comm alongside the people saying that we're degenerate roaches. That's why it looks like a Nazi bar from where I'm at.
True, and I disagree with them having it.
Piefed is still a cool software, and I think having a diversity of threadiverse softwares is a good thing. Stuff like flairs and polls are nice to have.
I don't disagree, they have nice features and I hope that results in those features eventually spilling over to similar improvements in lemmy. If it wasn't for the ideological crusade some people are on I wouldn't care at all.
A lot of the promotion of it has been along the lines of 'fuck those tankie degenerates, come use piefed', an example of which I included here
This whole post is also just standard defederation.
Even people on hexbear say it
Maybe I should start using that comment from now on
It's the default setting for the echo chamber that I took issue with.
I did say that it was something admins can change manually in my initial post here, twice.
The OP was calling for a Fediverse-wide boycott when this is how defederation works, and always has been (see hexbear comment above).
The issues I have with piefed are more related to the auto-collapsing comments based on votes, and the terrible search features, particularly its modlog. Seems way worse for transparency to have things that opaque and censorship happening through votes.
Question, do you feel comfortable posting in comms where other people are getting called degenerate roaches?
Ok, so I got an answer from goat, which said basically that calling other people cockroaches happens on hexbear as well
https://hexbear.net/search?q=cockroaches&type=Comments&listingType=All&page=1&sort=New
It seems true from what I can see.
As I said, I don't have a dog in this fight, it seems indeed bad to have such comments on both sides.
I usually avoid !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works, those comments in that thread were the first I made there in a month (https://sh.itjust.works/search?q=+&type=Comments&listingType=All&communityId=25693&creatorId=2055038&page=1&sort=New )
I believe there should be another community to report bad faith arguments made by any instance (!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com , but broader), but I don't have the time or energy for that.
From that link pretty much all of the usage is talking about the literal insect, or talking about reactionaries/fascists using it to refer to muslims, immigrants and other 'undesirables'.
Out of the handful of remaining uses, it's stuff like in the hexbear thread on this meanwhileongrad thread:
This is the most questionable usage I found, and it's referring to fash/reactionaries.
That's not the main point though, the bigger issue was getting called a 'degenerate' that's pretty much a red flag that someone's a cryptofash.
citing db0 on this one:
compare the use of the term on shit vs hexbear: https://sh.itjust.works/search?q=degenerate&type=All&listingType=Local&page=1&sort=TopAll
https://hexbear.net/search?q=degenerate&type=All&listingType=Local&page=1&sort=TopAll
While looking I found this one on hexbear 5 years ago, almost 90 upvotes shitting on stalin for criminalizing homosexuality, and quoting him calling someone degenerate. I read this as extremely critical of Stalin:
All the usage on hexbear I see is either self-deprecating or discussing (negatively) about people using the term.
meanwhile on meanwhile on grad:
hmmm, calling people degenerates and complaining about commies, progressives and furries.
Goat seems fine with replies calling people he doesn't like degenerates:
On the shit main community someone deleted their posts after getting called out for this behavior, this is a known issue:
'degenerate tankie roaches'
site admin calls it out, entirely downvoted lol
Like you might think I'm being melodramatic, but I really don't see how meanwhileongrad isn't a nazi bar.
I really hope you re-assess both sides, because they are not equivalent.
I understand, there's plenty of problematic posters to go around, the issue I have is that it's normalized calling an instance which is overwhelmingly trans and queer 'degenerates', that's a major red flag, and it's behavior like that which was why hexbear defederated shit in the first place.
sh.it doesn't seem to have improved in that time
Thank you for the detailed answer. I'm going to be honest, I don't have the time to check all of this, and being insulted here in the last few days (https://lemmy.ml/modlog/14810) doesn't really incite me to keep coming back to this thread (I made an exception for Jet as he didn't have access to the other thread on SJW)
I summarized my view on the whole thing in this comment: https://lemmy.ml/post/35392790/20764278
Coming back to the Piefed default blocking list, I investigated more, here is what an admin setting up an instance experience is like (https://wetshav.ing/comment/92409)
I agree it should be improved to make it fully optional, but it's still acceptable for now. I guess we disagree on that, and that's fine, hopefully one day the change will be made.
Modlog fitering has been added on 24th of August: https://crust.piefed.social/modlog
For the votes, I agree it should be an option, hopefully in the future it will be, but for now there are other priorities, and personally I'm not that impacted as the communities are in are usually smaller and without a lot of downvotes.
I'm going to be honest, I'm not the biggest fan of !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works, I unsubscribed from it and this type of comments reminds me why. I ignore it most of the time, but yesterday I was curious to see what other people could think about this thread, and as expected, there was one. Where people were also incorrect about the way defederation is configured in Piefed, which is where I pasted the comment you mentioned.
I think Rimu is the same, he just got pinged into that thread, and answered there to clarify things, he doesn't particularly endorses that community.
Let's see how the mod answer, maybe there should be another community with moderation rules that ask to respect the humans, even though ideas can be criticized.
@goat@sh.itjust.works , do you support this kind of comments? https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20140833
Hmmm. Okay, I'm going to DM goat directly
Or you could just leave the Nazi bar. shitsjustfash was federated for about two days with hexbear if I recall correctly and in that time we experienced dozens of their users posting: ableism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, racism, literal Nazi apologia in the form of the "clean Wehrmacht" myth, downplaying the genocide of indigenous people in the americas and the ongoing one in Palestine. So when they claim that we are denying a "genocide" of Muslims in China (there literally isn't one and they don't actually give a fuck about Muslims) it would be funny if these people weren't all over places like piefed too and trying to ensure that nobody from anywhere like here can actually provide any counterfactual arguments to their Nazi propaganda.
And you. Yes you yourself, are all over here spamming your little copypasta trying to defend this decision and the BEST you can fucking do is "oh hmmmm I'll look into it by asking the literal Nazi mod of shitsjustfash if they're a Nazi, I'm sure they will be forthcoming and honest"
Lemmy.ml doesn't exist now?
Also, as I said above
So you can admit that you have an anti-Lemmy.ml agenda, just not to me? Interesting. Yea, equating leftists to Nazis is a certified tell that you're deeply unserious.
It’s the opposite: lemmy.ml is still federated with all the Piefed instances, and allows people to provide counterfactual arguments to Nazi propaganda.
Interesting to see you projecting the worse possible interpretation of my words, some people might consider this 'dishonest'
If that's what you genuinely meant, then I apologize, but given your past behavior and refusal to clarify your aims in any way, it's still deeply suspicious. You could just as easily plainly explain what your goals are and why you always seem so excited to move communities from Lemmy.ml to Lemmy.zip despite saying Lemmy.ml is smallish, while claiming to help decentralization, as well as minimizing the clear ideological bias in putting leftist instances alongside CSAM and spam in default block lists.
If you gave an explanation, then people wouldn't be so quick to interpret your vague statements in an anti-Leftist manner.
Here is the last comment I made on the topic, feel free to answer there if you want, it's getting off topic for this post:
https://lemmy.ml/post/35293458/20736835
I told you I was disengaging from there, and I did, but since you insist on continuing this dead conversation, your answer there was entirely unsatisfying.
Lemmy.ml is an instance almost always put alongside Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml. You defend moving communities away from Lemmy.ml, and you defend default blocking Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml.
Moving communities from Lemmy.ml means Lemmy.ml users that tend to scroll locally can no longer access these communities without going to all, and further means moderation style changes with new admins. I underatand that Lemmy.zip is federated, but you're just telling me that I'm not allowed to take issue with this. It's toxic behavior.
None of these answers why you are doing this, why you push heavily for Piefed.social especially, and why you bat so hard for devs that pre-bake anti-leftist sentiment into defaults.
Are you calling lemmy.ml Nazi propaganda?
It's the opposite: lemmy.ml is still federated with all the Piefed instances, and allows people to provide counterfactual arguments to Nazi propaganda.
Omg dude we get it stop spamming this. We know. That is not what this is about.
If someone runs an instance that has manually unblocked us cool but that is not what this is about and you are clearly the one not registering what I am pointing out here
You are presenting this like the baked in code forces one-way federation, when it's clear that the admins can update this later.
Example of two Piefed instances that currently federate hexbear:
List of Piefed instances that currently defederate hexbear:
https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list
As you can see, instances defederating hexbear are instances managed by teams which were going to do so anyway, as they already did on Lemmy.
Instances who want to federate know how to do so, there are three examples.
Yes but I am saying we should block at least any that have this one directional federation. You are putting impressive effort into missing the point.
Edit: And thankfully we apparently just did.
Oh my god please shut the fuck up. No it is not. You are being an annoying pedantic little piece of shit you do get that right? You fucking know what I am complaining about here and you keep posting this "welll AAAACKSHUALLLLLY".
Let me spell this out for you one last fucking time:
"federation" in spirit is the sharing of content BETWEEN instances and is intended as a two way affair. Piefed instances default to blocking any and all traffic from hexbear or lemmygrad and thus there is no way to know if being federated with those instances is actually allowing mutual communication unless tested and therefore without explicit prior statement that the instance owner has gone in and removed the malicious coding nobody should federate with them at all.
Finally and what this entire post is about: I am calling for everyone, not just hexbear, to defederate and block piefed on principle because their devs are deliberately trying to worsen the entire concept of the fediverse by trying to enforce their fascist ideology through blocking dissent through their code.
It is underhanded and dishonest and a shameful display of liberalism aiding fascism.
There is, I linked to the /instances pages that show which instances are federated or not above
You seem to be misunderstanding that defederation being one way is new. I literally used a comment from another hexbear user above clarifying this.
If you want to complain about Piefed having a default defederation list, feel free, but don't start to question the way defederation has been working between instances for years.
Then call it like this instead of pretending that Piefed's implementation of defederation isn't standard.
The behavior you demonstrate here is exactly why hexbear is so widely blocked, and it makes it difficult for those of us trying to keep the infrastructure less opinionated when this is how you behave when you have a legitimate grievance
Another example that got moderated: https://lemmy.zip/modlog?userId=1633475
I see them all, as a admin voyager shows me removed comments in place. I'm surprised the earlier messages didn't also get purged, they deserved to be