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Hey all. I'd like to open an official discussion regarding the upturning of the prior Hexbear party line on an :israel-cool: emote proper with the unambiguous Zionist flag.

I want to preface this by saying this is not in a 'ceding the issue' way. Over the past year I've been trying to engage in self-crit w/rt the chauvinism I've internalized growing up in a Liberal Zionist household, and my personal viewpoint on it did a 180 some months back, so I want to reopen this discussion proper in my personal capacities as Self-Appointed Emote Czar.

The reason it's taken long enough beyond that is prior to July, I was essentially half-engaged with the site in order to finish out my degree. After that, it’s been mostly inertia of confirming with the admins and other /c/Judaism mods, as well as having to be rigorous about my job search personally giving me little free time to coordinate this.

I do not want to center myself in this conversation more than I inadvertently already have, so I will leave my own opinion on the issue as a comment rather than explaining further here.

The consensus we've roughly come to is to open up the discussion in an official manner for a day or so. After that, I'll weigh the discussion in an entirely vibes-based manner (sorry Dean Norris enjoyers) and we'll alter Hexbear party line on it accordingly.

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[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Allow the emoji, unban Z, then immediately ban them again for their extended history of being a reactionary piece of shit.

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ban them for something that isn't this though.

[–] Elohimbo@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Quick! Make up some other spurious bullshit to smear him with! Uhh... Reactionary!

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago

I didn't make that up on the fly, i have more than once putten it in the "Reason" field when i reported you in the past. Never for anything zionism-related, i must add. We're on the same page on that issue.

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wasn't saying make something up, was just saying that if it's a real problem, they can just wait on that user to do something that is actually ban worthy and everyone agrees on.

It's more of a challenge to the mods to actually provide evidence instead of just insta banning them for being who they are.

Bans should be pretty verbose and well sourced for good faith users (people who aren't just brigading from a Nazi/Neolib instance). Otherwise we just get a giant log of really difficult to audit reasons.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

That's zposter, if you were not already aware.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah absolutely.

[–] OnlyTrueLiberal@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

so do you have something specific or are you just going to accuse them of being vaguely reactionary?

[–] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

i think we should keep them banned because they're an overly aggressive asshole with an axe to grind who uses alts to evade bans, a thing that's been banworthy since the sites inception.

[–] OnlyTrueLiberal@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

if the original ban was unjust then it is also unjust to ban them for ban evasion. people accuse them of being reactionary, antisemite and so forth but all they can nail zposter on is being an asshole, which is true.

but if you are going to ban people for being assholes well the there goes half of this site. is it even against the rules to be asshole? even if is, that rule is being selectively enforced and so unjust. some people can say that some people should be 6 feet under and not get banned. not asshole behaviour apparently.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

They have a history of covid minimization and being an outspoken swerf and generally never pass a vibe check when they enter discussions in queer spaces on this site. They just can't help but be weird around queer, kinky and poly people. Yes, that's vaguely reactionary, and that only being vague in their reactionary sentiment isn't a problem to you speaks volumes about what this place has become.