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The claim is "burning an Israeli flag evokes the Holocaust"
The counter-claim is "It doesn't"
Because it's impossible to directly prove the counter-claim, because you can't prove a negative, the argument goes:
"The general claim that burning flags that contain religious symbols is itself a symbol of hatred toward those religions is proven false by the existence of
or :saudicool:"
In the thread from last night, this particular formulation of the argument was never addressed because Zposter was banned.
How do you want me to phrase it? If you expect me to say "I want to burn the Star of David" then I'm sorry, I won't say that because I don't feel that way at all. I want to burn the flag of Israel, though, because it's the flag of Israel. That looks pretty simple in my mind.
This bit is only coherent if you think Israel represents Jews.
I'll happily say that I want to burn an Israeli flag whose most prominent feature is the star of David, because I think context matters. If you understood dialectics, you'd understand this too
WRT your second point, if there was one Jewish person in this thread who felt that way then I'd have to cede that the argument was at least somewhat valid (because you're ultimately basing it on Jewish people's feelings) but @DirtyPair@hexbear.net's own comment already argued the diametrically opposite point, that they feel that it's antisemitic to not have the emoji. So how do you square that circle?
This is the exact argument used by the judge who just recently created federal precedent to charge anti-zionist protestors with hate crimes, immediately escalating them to federal crimes. This precedent, and your argument here, will be used to fuck over activists across the country with trumped up federal crimes.
https://archive.is/MTtAM
and if you want to attempt to nullify equivalencies by arguing scope and context you can make that argument, but its undeniable that this stance is at the very least normalizing rhetoric that will be used to fuck over anti-zionist activists, and for no good reason besides "optics"
So you would say all people burning the flag irl are engaging in Holocaust-based antisemitism because the symbol is on the flag?
Ok
A star of David only represents Jews when it's not on the pissraeli flag you brainless genocidal dog. Its just that simple but you fascist scum like to equate Zionazism with Judaism. Death to pissrael and it's enablers.
ovens were for people not symbols