Ethnic Minorities and People of Color
Official Title of this Community: Ethnic Minorities and People of Color
Why is the title different?
We like to have fun here.
What is this place? A safe space for underrepresented peoples and peoples of color to talk, chill, and vibe.
What are the basic rules of the community?
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Follow Lemmy TOS and Community Guidelines. Non negotiable. This is the bedrock and mods will make decisions with this always in mind.
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This community is for ethnic minorities and people of color. This is a safe space where such people can freely discuss their struggles, insight, and thoughts without fear. If you are not, we respectfully ask you do not post or comment here. A future community will be established to allow for racial discussions with a mixed userbase. However, remember, comments here must still respect Lemmy TOS and Community Guidelines.
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Irony Racism is still racism. Racism is bad m'kay? We will treat irony racism and bad faith racist satire as racism. Will wield the ban hammer accordingly.
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No sectarianism: This is an identity channel not a channel for you all to complain about why XYZ isn't the "one true leftism". Take that to another place.
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Stupidpol is not allowed. Stupidpol is class reductionist. We are an identity community. Thinking like stupidpol ignores the struggles of the oppressed, their voices, and their need for unique support. Nothing says oppression more than someone saying that the identity you have is "not real" and that if you only thought like them you'd see what your "real" identity is. Mods reserve the right to ban users and content who promote stupidpol, stupidpol memes, and other class reductionist thinking.
FAQ
I don't look XYZ and/or sometimes I can pass as white so I don't know if I can post here. Can I?
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This place is for ethnic minorities and people of color. This includes those of mixed heritage and those who may be "white" but are of an ethnicity that is a minority in their area (i.e. Kurds, etc) If you've experienced oppression due to your identity that is not based on sexual / gender identification, you are welcome here.
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Moreover, for our American audience, we have people from around the world who are "white" but are oppressed due to being a minority in their country. They are and should be welcomed here.
What can I post?
- Anything you think is relevant to the mission of this community. Things will evolve over time.
- Topics and things relevant to EM and POC.
Suggested Posts
- [People of Spice]: Food recipes so others can taste your culture
- [Theory]: Vid/podcasts/websites discussing issues relevant to identity, anti-imperialism, etc
- [News]: Vids/podcasts/websites that talk about current events relevant to EM and POC
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Wow uh... Is it just me or is a certain mod being a total fucking cracker in this thread? https://hexbear.net/post/5878074
@Angel@hexbear.net I might be a bit slow on the uptake but I think I understand your "only c/em_poc" policy now
I don't want to wade into any drama but that was kind of disturbing
I mean I agree that a burning Israel flag emoji would give fascists rhetorical ammunition (edit: very poor choice of words but I believe in posting your Ls) but agreeing with the antisemitism smear is a step too far. If Norm Finkelstein and other anti-Zionist Jewish people see fit to call Zionism a Jewish supremacist project then I'm not inclined to agree that it's antisemitic to say so.
Also deflecting criticism by yelling at people to go outside strikes me as disingenuous, un-self aware, and fragile. Maybe this site is mostly for shitposting but I don't see what's wrong with using it as a sounding board to figure out how you feel about real life issues, some of the time.
I never understood the ammunition part, the fascists are now rounding up minorities and sending them into concentration camps and shooting protesters... rhetorical ammunition? THEY'RE USING LIVE BULLETS
Yeah I don't get why we should care about fascist ammunition ever. They make shit up over nothing, we shouldn't have to self censor over what they could possibly take and run with. Then that means we're preemptively neutering ourselves before anything happens.
Us dirty coloreds cant understand the winning strategy of preemptive compliance
Agree, something, something the Jean Paul Satre quote about not taking the antisemite seriously we also are one of the few sites that documents the genocide in its entirety, any lawman coming through wanting to bump us off would have done so already and done real harm to people being informed about the genocide.
Apparently we've also already been reported to federal agencies and the site isn't gone yet, so I don't see why a religious symbol burning would change anything when we regularly distribute images of the zionist flag burning.
Saving most of my thoughts for the inevitable struggle session but shouldn't we be smart enough to recognize when we're burning the zionist flag vs. burning the star of David? If one's in a thread about isntreals crimes and another is a random post unrelated to isntreal, I think we can tell which is antisemitic.
It's just liberal zionists deflecting, I truly dont believe they think burning an ethnostate's flag is on par with the antisemitic hate crime of burning the star of David to get at Jewish people
They're just butthurt and trying to find a "leftist" defense of their butthurt instead of doing self reflection
to the crakkkers in chat
I guess I felt like I had to bend to the moderators' arguments but now that you put it like that, yeah fuck that bullshit lmao
Speaking of the triangle: I just submitted an actual israel-cool, I think it meets halfway without sacrificing the political message: https://hexbear.net/post/5886556
True enough and very good point, thank you for keeping it real. Definitely not trying to die on that hill, actually now that you mention it I feel like that was an ass take on my part. I've thought about it a little more and I think the most reasonable argument is that depending on how the laws go, having an emoji like that could end up getting the site shut down. But that's very hypothetical and meanwhile, yeah they're starving hundreds of thousand of children for crying out loud. Country full of psycho killers doesn't deserve that kind of consideration.
But actually I don't remember this ever being made a policy in the first place. If I recall correctly, WhyEsEff said she personally wasn't comfortable making the emoji but if someone else wanted to, they're free to do so. Then everyone just left it at that. Anyway, I'm for it, and I might fire up GIMP myself.
Fired up the old Wilbur-assisted editing program myself: https://hexbear.net/post/5886556
It's umm, not very good image editing wise (I have forsaken Wilbur's good graces), so anyone is free to submit a better version of it.
Lmao, I love it, well done, I think you solved a problem by using the red arrow, that's pretty clever actually
Yeah there are like, 2 valid-ish reasons for us not to have the Israeli flag burning as an emoji. Neither were actually defended in that horrible thread. It's especially white to browbeat the people who are asking for the emoji as all being antisemites when they were all active users of the site, many are Arab, and none said anything even slightly antisemitic. Also "Jewish exceptionalism" is too far now? Ffs.
Z poster getting a seemingly permanent site-wide ban (no more news megathread for you bucko!) for it was also uncalled for just for pointing out the holes in other users arguments.
Mod message: https://hexbear.net/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=21408
White leftists going "please touch grass and organize!!!" as a escape hatch to any criticism they receive. The first part seems like grounds so I won't comment on that.
See, so I did some digging around, and while it's 100% true that they do have a history of hostility, among their alts (or at least what I believe to be their alts, I'm not infallible here) it does appear like there was a clear instance of the same mod telling them to kill themselves and it wasn't addressed.
https://hexbear.net/comment/5311481
This was brought up to a mod who denied that the other mod was talking to the user, but IMO it seems pretty clear that the original message was addressed in the second person perspective.
https://hexbear.net/comment/5379334
Borderline cop behavior.
Hexbear mods protecting their friends and outright lying, again
they're arab, depending on the country if they touch grass and organize the U.S. or one of its pawns will kill them
But what if theyre killing so they can go to college debt free
dang I didn't think for that, the poor proletariat troops just trying to do their job and live like the rest of us.
Yeah that's just baffling. Its literally a jewish ethnostate and keeps an apartheid intact. Has always been Jewish exceptionalist since its inception.
Like damn, norm finkelstein even wrote a book about and got demonized for it.
I guess its too much to ask in a forum with communists !?
It is ridiculous. I can kinda understand where the pearl clutching is coming from because in my own conversations with people in my country, which has a pretty low Jewish population, there's been a lot of ignorance about the Holocaust and antisemitism more broadly, so I can understand why there's an aversion to any narrative or term that can be weaponized by antisemites (those sorts of things fester among those who are ignorant about history) but it's perhaps the most appropriate website in the web to have these conversations safely.
Mayo ass thread
Yeah I saw it. I feel like there are certain blindspots with some of the crackers in there. I had long ago bought up a similar thing about brahmins, casteism and brahmins in usa. How such well off castes do carry Hindu fascism. I was referring to kamala Harris and her extended family wealth. Wanted to even broadly mention how such people embed into imperial core and sponsor its genocidal regime. I got a lot of push back saying this was somehow wrongful and racist to point out, mainly by similar crackers and certain cracker in that thread.
On top of calling me racist for even pointing out how casteism and fascism aid one another. They got weird about me suggesting I live in south India and have decently well read on brahminism and casteism. They went on to say something weirdly racist (which I don't even wanna reiterate). Which is pretty bizarre cause Harris clearly supports rich brahmins and their base, so much so she helped block an anti caste discrimination bill when these brahmins reached out to her.
I got very uncomfortable and stopped really commenting about casteism or india altogether for a while. Cause certain crackers in that thread don't know shit about Indian politics and wanna be dismissive. I also didn't wanna be subject to their dogpiling.
Why I say all this is cause Hindu fascists do the same tactics as zionists. They keep labelling their critics as bigots who hate Hindus (they just mean brahmins). Have ambitions to build an Hindu ethnostate with their casteist apartheid intact. They are Hindu exceptionalist. Now to say burning rss/vhp/whatever fascist insignia as a hinduphobic thing is very dumb thing.
To sort of even bend knees for the fascists who have been the most open depraved genociders for the last 20 months (I mean tbh since 1950s) is just putrid.
Sorry I typed I all this. Felt like I had to say it. Felt nauseated reading all that thread.
Thank you, I appreciate that you did type that up and actually it's a relief to know others are seeing the same things. You are seen. And it's starting to feel like we're in the majority here.
Any recommendations for where we can learn more? Books, professors, etc?
I like https://youtube.com/@rohanxdavis
But I only have a casual knowledge of casteism and hindutva so take my rec with a grain of salt
Thanks!
Literally true, see below
Cw: racism, Islamophobia
https://jewishcurrents.org/auditing-the-hindu-american-foundations-claims-of-hinduphobia