If Trump is in office: Ukraine was on the verge of victory, but because Trump is Putin’s boyfriend Trump handed over the Donbas to Putin. If it happens after Trump’s term is over: Trump weakened the military support for Ukraine, because he’s Putin’s boyfriend, and that’s why Ukraine, which was on the verge of victory until 2025, lost.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 33 points 2 months ago

Finland losing their war doesn’t stop westoids from gloating about le epic Finnish ubermensch, same thing will happen with Ukraine.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

Stabbed. In. The. Back

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Ukraine isn't going to lose everything though? Current offer being talked about is Ukraine withdraws from the parts of Donetsk oblast not currently under Russian control, and the frontline is frozen elsewhere. Even if Russia pursues their current maximalist demands of putting Kherson, Donetsk, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia under full Russian control, that's still a far cry from the initial war goals of demilitirisation and denazification, and the terms that were discussed at Istanbul where Ukraine was set to be limited to a standing army of less than 100 000 members, a handful of attack helicopters, and no long range rocket artillery or missiles. Yes Ukraine would have had more territory under the Istanbul deal, but their military power would've been almost non existent.

[–] LargeAdultRedBook@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

Sorry by "everything" I didn't mean all their territory. I meant conceding all the things that Russia is asking for in negotiations.