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Late last year my company switched to "unlimited PTO." Ironically this happened just before I had saved up 120 hours (specifically vacation hours separate from sick days or anything else) to go visit my fiance abroad without question. A couple weeks ago HR sent out a message to the managers that "unlimited" (which includes sick days, bereavement, etc) basically means 25 days at max, but we should "encourage" around 15 days.
When I brought up that "Unlimited PTO" was gonna be real bad news for us, my coworkers didn't really believe it, but now some of them are getting pushback or outright denied on trips they had planned last year. If you are applying for a company that says "unlimited PTO" ask exactly what that means. And if they say "manager's discretion" ask what the HR recommendation or policy is to the manager. It's meant to be a profit-increasing tool to get new recruits to sign on, as well as ensuring that they can cut you off from taking days off when they feel like.
any company that advertises unlimited PTO just don't bother applying. you'll never get that PTO and there's nothing to pay out when you quit. add to the fact that they're clearly saying "we prefer to hire idiots"
This. Imagine a company advertising "Unlimited wages (manager's discretion)". Would you seriously think that's a good deal?
"Unlimited PTO (manager's discretion)" is exactly the same thing.
It also eliminates the vacation pay-out when someone resigns.
Ah yeah totally forgot about that too, definitely
My ex was so happy when they went to unlimited PTO, but she's overworked as it is and nobody does her job when she's not there, on top of her boss just dumping her work down on her. So she has to do extra work on the day before and after, so she just quit taking days off until HR told her she needed to take 4 days off in the next 2 weeks and that just meant 8 days of busting her ass, and she was livid.
Tell them to quit busting their ass for a company that despises them. If the company just keeps throwing work ontop of overworked employees, task prioritization kicks in and I start asking for priority lists to determine what has to be done and what can slip. When I get told that it's all important and nothing slips, I just respond with 'hire someone or tell me what has to complete or can be missed, or I'll use my best judgement and choose what I work on'. You have me for 40hrs, maybe 45 on a bad week. If you give me 60 hours worth of work in a 40 hour week, I'm going to let 1/3 of what you give me burn. It's your choice what gets burned lol.
I loved the day that a shit manager said he'd fire me for that, and he really did not appreciate the combo response of "don't threaten me with a good time" and "lol you don't have the manpower for your work as is and are getting hell from upper management, you can't afford to lose me". Was very satisfying to quit with no notice a month later while he was talking shit about replacing me. Heard it took a few months to find that replacement too.
This. A company paying for 100% effort shouldn't expect 150%.
And most companies don't even pay 100%.
"has to do extra work" ... that is a question of priorities, isn't it.
She should just do less. Sounds like she's a good worker, they won't fire her. Standards are lower than we tend to think
She has ADHD like me. She won't stop and she gets taken advantage of.
It sounds more like work addiction, though.
You don't know ADHD, then.