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Hi again mateys!

As most of you are probably aware, since the development of Lemvotes Lemmy votes are no longer private for users.

The way lemvotes works right now afaik, is it uses an admin level account to collect voting data from all federated instances, thus enabling the identification of every voter. This method effectively bypasses the guardrails the developers put in place to keep this info more restricted.

However, the developer of lemvotes has recently developed an "opt out" for instances that don't want their user data collected in this way. So now we have a choice of whether or not to continue. For total transparency, I asked the developer to create an opt out because I wanted to give our users the option to choose that path without defederating from the lemvotes instance.

I think there are (at least) two schools of thought on this topic, which I will attempt to succinctly summarize below:

  1. Votes should be kept private to users as they were only ever meant to be viewable by instance admins. Making votes public to everyone via lemvotes, when users have a reasonable expectation of privacy when it comes to voting, is a betrayal of user trust. It also leads to arguments and a lot of unnecessary drama, caused by users trawling though each others' vote histories.

  2. It's good that voting is transparent and that users have the same tools available as admins to conduct their own investigations into other users. This creates a level playing field and helps hold everyone accountable for their voting patterns.

So now you have some of the context, I'd like to ask our community what are your thoughts on lemvotes... is it a social good or a bad idea?

Personally, I quite like it from an admin perspective - it's a handy tool, and a pretty cool project. But I also have an expectation (mainly from other forms of social media) that users' votes should be kept private from other users, so I still think it's problematic from that perspective.


Proposal: To opt out of lemvotes, so that our users' voting data is kept (at least somewhat) private.

  • To vote FOR the proposal to succeed, upvote the post.
  • To vote AGAINST the proposal, downvote the post.

This will be a simple majority vote. Similar to the last governance topic, I have no clue what the instance sentiment is towards lemvotes, so let's find out! Feel free to add your comments below.

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[–] lena@gregtech.eu 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As Lena has indicated, this does not require spinning up a full instance and admin account, but just to spin up a copy of LemVotes, which is open source.

Lemvotes currently depends on a Lemmy instance, though I could make it independent with Fedify if I had the time and energy.

Easier than that, I've also read that votes are available without admin rights through queries to the Lemmy API.

https://lemmy.readme.io/reference/get_post-like-list

the API is admin-only, though votes are federated through activitypub, that's why instance admins can see them. That's just how activitypub works.

I also don't like the idea of even being able to opt out. It creates an entirely false sense of security and privacy, and could be seen as a signal that our instance doesn't intend to participate in the wider fediverse transparently and in good faith.

yeeeeah, this was the db0 admins' idea, otherwise my instance might have gotten defederated, which I prefer doesn't happen. The solution would be, as I said, to make Lemvotes its own fediverse actor, but I don't have the expertise or energy to do so.

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

otherwise my instance might have gotten defederated

Umm, wait what?

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Lemvotes gets data from my instance, so if I hadn't made the opt-out option, this community vote would still be run, with the difference that there would be the option of defederating me instead of opting out.

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 hours ago

Ah, I see. It sounded quite threatening, tbh (and it technically still is a threat, but now at least I get why it would be necessary to prevent the votes from being counted by Lemvotes...). I hope it won't be necessary, the poll is close to tipping over to not opting out...