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[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago (10 children)

people need to stop making fucking video news like I have the time to sit around watching 24 minutes of this when they could probably sum it up in a few paragraphs and be done with it

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 49 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think explaining things in detail is good, actually.

Short version: Colonization and ICJ rulings produced disputed territory between the two countries. Both countries are controlled by two rich capitalist families, respectively. There was a minor border skirmish with one casualty and no evidence regarding who started shooting, and this began to be used by each family as a causus belli, taking various escalatory measures until there started to be overt military attacks, again with no agreement about "who started it". 32 people have died so far. Luna speculates that the militaries of one or both countries (Thailand's has much more independent power, while Cambodia's is more integrated into the executive branch) are stoking this for the sake of their own power. She is very careful to speak equally of each country and says that this is a reactionary war where the best outcome and the only one anyone should seek is peaceful resolution.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

I think explaining things in detail is good, actually.

Yeah but you can do that without a long ass video where either I can speed it up and listen to a chipmunk voice or I can sit there as a person plods through information that they could have simply written down

Thx for the summary btw

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 48 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Entitled and useless complaint, I`m sorry but demanding content creators change their entire format to suit your personal preferences? Are we so devolved that 25 minutes is too much?

Either you care about a topic or you don't. You can't summarize Israel-Palestine in 5 minutes, you can't summarize Ukraine in 5 minutes. Why do you think it can be done here?

In any case like just google it then and you`ll find the social media slop you want. Her style is fine, you can watch 12 minutes twice if you care and if you don't then its not like she is the only source.

Why would she need to hurry up so much and "be done with it", so she can move on to another 5 minute slop? So much wrong here.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

As a non-native English speaker I much prefer reading than trying to decipher what is being said.

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That is perfectly fine, yes its tough sometimes e.g the ukraine war chuds on YT I used to watch included Russians and non-native English speakers too. If the channel was a native English speaker would that solve the issue for you? This got nothing to do with the format-length complaint here.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are there not subtitles for you?

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago

They are usually autogenerated, which means their quality varies wildly, and it is overall much harder to read and comprehend than a written article.

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are we so devolved that 25 minutes is too much?

25 min video could be a 5 min article, that's the issue.

[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The issue is they're not a writer, they're a YT channel, if you prefer an article why even click a YT link in the first place? As I said, a huge mountain of entitlement here.

Someone takes a lot of effort to research and edit a video and if you don't care for the format that is fine. But saying "the issue is its a 25 minute video" implies the solution is everything should be a tiktok video. Brainrot entitlement shit.

If you haven't noticed Luna is pretty much an OG global south channel that exists longer than hexbear. Someone could have said "good but I don't like essays" and leave it at that.

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

not really entitlement i just think articles are generally superior for deep dive news.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] ColombianLenin@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I up-beard not because I have a strong opinion, but because I've not yet seen a ratio request in such a low-stakes comment section and want to see how large this will get

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I have since changed my opinion to liking this ratio more. I also prefer reading to videos for this sort of thing but I am able to accept when I'm not the target group/its just not my thing. Leroy seems unable or unwilling and deserves the ratio

[–] TommyBeans@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I just blocked them and moved on. Why argue, nobody is changing their mind because of an online slap fight

[–] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

Gotta first upvote the ratio, then leave the slap fight before anyone notices

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I have to disagree. I had very little idea about all the history. Considering she covered two countries and over a century, I think the presentation was very concise.

I also believe that it all tied into the historical materialist argument she made overall, which would have been a lot less powerful if she'd only considered recent events.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Im sorry you can't read faster than someone can speak but i can and I don't want to sit there for 24 minutes to process information that can be read in a tenth the time

People do long ass videos for everything and it's not because it's better or more useful, it's because social media algorithms have pushed it that way. Why be a petty journalist who writes simple articles when you can have your face in a video, enjoy pseudo celebrity, and get paid more for it?

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Did you watch this specific video?

I think your criticisms are valid and accurate in general, but I have to say I don't think they work very well against this video.

I think it would have taken Johnny Harris two hour-long videos to cover all the information she did in 24 minutes, and of course his analysis would be CIA sewage

I personally can read faster than a video, but this format has some advantages like:

  • real human emotion to emphasize the important parts
  • more historical photos than I think would work in an article
  • getting to hear the local pronunciation for people and places
  • like it or not, it seems the majority of the human population prefers to get information over video. This one happens to be seasoned with class analysis throughout
[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think your criticisms are valid and accurate in general

My criticism was made in general

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

So if we landed on: most news video essays are trash but this one is actually good, then I think we are in complete agreement

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The other poster was right, this is just knee-jerk entitlement, while making fun of someone not being able to read as quickly as you when you lack the critical thinking to change the video speed and thus make it not 24 minutes but ~12.

But you can posture that you're being progressive, actually, because Luna should just be writing a newsletter despite its worse reach and you can't just go and read a fucking newsletter, you need to go where someone posted not-a-newsletter and complain that this isn't one. It's petulant and absurd.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

you lack the critical thinking to change the video speed and thus make it not 24 minutes but

Already addressed in another comment

It's petulant and absurd.

sorry I don't want literally everyone everywhere vlogging everything because I love having my eyes glued to a video all day every day

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

Lick my balls, sorry I don't want literally everyone everywhere vlogging everything because I love having my eyes glued to a video all day every day

What was I calling petulant and absurd? Oh, right

you can posture that you're being progressive, actually, because Luna should just be writing a newsletter despite its worse reach and you can't just go and read a fucking newsletter, you need to go where someone posted not-a-newsletter and complain that this isn't one.

No one is making you watch this video. No one has a gun to your head demanding you watch videos for news. Stop being such a fucking baby. This literally just isn't for you and you're acting like you're therefore being put-upon, and digging your heels in further and further because I guess at this point it's to embarrassing to acknowledge how senseless your rhetorical angle here is.

Incidentally, that's not what "vlogging" is, even remotely, but you're being incoherent anyway so I guess this is just another "flourish" on the pile of nonsensical "flourishes."

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Blocking you btw this isn't the first time you've come at me with some shit, i remember you coming at me with some "oh nice freudian slip" genocide apologia accusation when you just couldn't fuckinv understand my comment

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

I understood your comment perfectly and explained it, I was just making fun of you for using liberal rhetoric.

[–] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Put it on 2x speed, then its 17 minutes. I think she did a very good job reducing the information to its bare essentials. Since its a region where the assumed western audience (even leftist one) has like close to zero knowledge about. She also did not want to give people ammunition to construct narratives that will sow discord amongst asian socialists. Explaining the further need for a more lengthy video.

[–] Rey_McSriff@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Put it on 2x speed,

Alvin and the Chipmunks mode

[–] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 months ago

Thats the fun part.

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago

..... Just speed up the video? Listen while you fold laundry or something? No one is forcing you to sit for 24 minutes

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago

The video honestly wouldn't be as good as an article because she has so many photos of the people involved on top of various maps. Too many images break the flow of an article because those images need captions at the bottom, so you have to read a paragraph and awkwardly read the caption of the image that accompanied the paragraph before moving on to the next paragraph. It's hardly noticeable when you only have a couple of images in a short article or blog post, but it becomes obvious when you have too many images.

The heavy use of images is justified for this case because her target audience are provincial Anglophones who can't even find Thailand or Cambodia on a map. The border dispute has to do with a temple that 99.999% of Anglophones didn't know existed let alone know how it looks like. She goes over various political players that 99.999% of Anglophones haven't heard of before let alone know how they look like.

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

100% agree. There's no reason that these kinds of videos shouldn't also come with a transcript at the very least so I can just read it. That's why I respect Michael Hudson, because his condition is that for every podcast or whatever he appears on there must also be a written transcript released at the same time, and I just read those.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

100000% agree, even if just for accessibility. I haven't paid attention to Citations Needed in a while but i liked that they had transcripts up on medium or something

[–] revolut1917@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

unfortunately a lot of people are too soupy-brained to consume media that isn't in video format so they probably get a lot more visibility doing videos and not articles (despite the latter clearly being a better medium for news)

[–] ColombianLenin@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

Download some AI summarizer slop and stop complaining about useless shit lol

[–] Rey_McSriff@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

ok but have you considered that my parasocial relationship with streamers is more important than being able to read information?