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A robot trained on videos of surgeries performed a lengthy phase of a gallbladder removal without human help. The robot operated for the first time on a lifelike patient, and during the operation, responded to and learned from voice commands from the team—like a novice surgeon working with a mentor.

The robot performed unflappably across trials and with the expertise of a skilled human surgeon, even during unexpected scenarios typical in real life medical emergencies.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

See the part that I dont like is that this is a learning algorithm trained on videos of surgeries.

That's such a fucking stupid idea. Thats literally so much worse than letting surgeons use robot arms to do surgeries as your primary source of data and making fine tuned adjustments based on visual data in addition to other electromagnetic readings

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's such a fucking stupid idea.

Care to elaborate why?

From my point of view I don't see a problem with that. Or let's say: the potential risks highly depend on the specific setup.

[–] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Unless the videos have proper depth maps and identifiers for objects and actions they're not going to be as effective as, say, robot arm surgery data, or vr captured movement and tracking. You're basically adding a layer to the learning to first process the video correctly into something usable and then learn from that. Not very efficient and highly dependant on cameras and angles.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine if the Tesla autopilot without lidar that crashed into things and drove on the sidewalk was actually a scalpel navigating your spleen.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Absolutely stupid example because that kind of assumes medical professionals have the same standard as Elon Musk.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Elon Musk literally owns a medical equipment company that puts chips in peoples brains, nothing is sacred unless we protect it.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 6 hours ago

Into volunteers it's not standard practise to randomly put a chip in your head.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Being trained on videos means it has no ability to adapt, improvise, or use knowledge during the surgery.

Edit: However, in the context of this particular robot, it does seem that additional input was given and other training was added in order for it to expand beyond what it was taught through the videos. As the study noted, the surgeries were performed with 100% accuracy. So in this case, I personally don't have any problems.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I actually don't think that's the problem, the problem is that the AI only factors for visible surface level information.

AI don't have object permanence, once something is out of sight it does not exist.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 2 points 21 hours ago

If you read how they programmed this robot, it seems that it can anticipate things like that. Also keep in mind that this is only designed to do one type of surgery.

I'm cautiously optimist.

I'd still expect human supervision, though.

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