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[–] wisha@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Does any GNOME user here use X11? On my computer I have been exclusively using Wayland for 3 years. It's great.

Slightly concerned about remote desktopping though. What do I replace xrdp with?

[–] piexil@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah because they dropped the vnc sever for the Wayland session and our workflow at work still uses vnc

[–] master_of_unlocking@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

If you can install it I’ve found that Remmina works well

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I have RSI, and I use talon voice to control my computer.

Because Wayland doesn't, and probably won't support accessibility software like talon voice, in time, as x11 is shut down, I'll have to move to Mac or Windows. I'm devastated.

Talon voice is what allows me to continue working.

I'm literally going to have to move back to the dark side in time, due to the end of X11, and Wayland's lack of support for accessibility.

[–] lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

It says "X11 disabled by default", does that imply you can enable it again?

In any case I wish you the best

[–] eugenia@lemmy.ml 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Use Talon with Cinnamon and Linux Mint, which still uses X11.

[–] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'll do what I can. However, x11 will definitely die in the upcoming years. Development is apparently only maintenance now and basic improvements. The writing is on the wall, as Wayland just doesn't support what the accessibility tools require.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

When Ubuntu LTS stops shipping X11 in 2032, that'll hopefully have changed

[–] IAmTheKernelError@piefed.social 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sorry to hear this; why are so many voice-control tools for Linux so dependent on X11? Is there any glimmer of hope that an alternate Wayland-compatible tool is going to come along in the next few years?

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Wayland security model is far more restrictive. Accessibility tools need to screen capture, create input events on your behalf, etc. Such things aren't possible under Wayland (yet?).

[–] Lojcs@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago

Pretty sure both have been available through portals for at least a year

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is the one gigantic, glaring problem with Wayland. “The most secure software is the software you can’t use” is not a philosophy I support. Accessibility should always be a first class citizen for mission critical components like window managers.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 14 hours ago

Accessibility is better than reported on Wayland. It is being taken seriously.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 day ago

i've heard MATE works well for accessibility, have you tried it?

[–] brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

Slightly concerned about remote desktopping though. What do I replace xrdp with?

Xrdp works on Wayland, you can keep using it if you like. There's also Gnome's built-in Gnome Remote Desktop as well as KDE's Krdp, both are also Wayland compatible (though I get the feeling Krdp is still in its early stages).

[–] eneff@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 21 hours ago

I have been running gnome-shell with the --no-x11 flag for quite some time now and haven't been missing anything.

[–] davet@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago

I think gnome has an rdp server built in. Just need to enable it in settings.

[–] spongeborgcubepants@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I do due to an annoying bug that only pops up when using Wayland, forces me to relogin and thus lose my current session.

Haven't tested for a while though, maybe it's fixed already.

[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Keep coming back to Wayland. I've been using Linux as my main desktop OS since 2022, and at first, I encountered many issues with Wayland (KDE). However, I kept coming back and testing Wayland as the bugs were fixed. Now, Wayland is great! It feels like a true modern operating system — much better than Windows.

[–] DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

KDE user here, I still use X11 to play old Minecraft versions. LWJGL2 uses xrandr to read (and sometimes modify? wtf) display configurations on Linux, and the last few times I've tried it on Wayland it kept screwing the whole desktop up.

I still use X because at least last time I tried (admittedly over a year ago) some of my apps didn't work right on Wayland (KLayout, if I remember correctly).

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The only thing I want from x11 is a proper wayland autoclicker with working global bindings,Yes I can use xclicker but no global bindings.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 1 points 14 hours ago

Its just because most of then are cli based.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] tla@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

waypipe -c lz4=9 ssh env QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland-egl <remote-program-path [args]>

[–] ugo@feddit.it 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

exactly what i needed; thank you.

[–] moomoomoo309@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

bingo and thank you

[–] WILSOOON@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

I do, its a bit more stable with nvidia still, i sometimes get black screens randomly wit wayland

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's default on pop os. Cannot remember if I tried Wayland, just going with the flow and it works for now

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 14 hours ago

One of the ironies with System76 is that they are taking so long to release their Wayland-only desktop that they are becoming one of the last bastions of Xorg.