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[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well let's ask Jewish holocaust survivor, Isaac Bashevis Singer, what he thinks.

What do they know-all these scholars, all these philosophers, all the leaders of the world - about such as you? They have convinced themselves that man, the worst transgressor of all the species, is the crown of creation. All other creatures were created merely to provide him with food, pelts, to be tormented, exterminated. In relation to them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is an eternal Treblinka.

He says people who eat meat are Nazis. I think I trust the opinion of this Jewish holocaust survivor on this matter. He makes a pretty good point. Everyone who eats meat is a Nazi, from the animals' point of view. And I agree with the animals.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

this smacks of a genetic fallacy

but regardless, the Holocaust was wrong, in part, precisely because it did treat humans like animals. this is not an indictment of how we treat animals.

and no animal knows what a Nazi is.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, and that's the problem with slavery of humans, too. It treats humans the way humanity treats animals. And nobody should be made to endure that kind of suffering.

What makes animals unworthy of decency? Intelligence? Strength? Divine birthright of species? All distinctions drawn between human and animal which aim to excuse slavery are fascist in nature. Singer is right. The only excuses we have for eating meat are the same excuses the Nazis used for the holocaust. Humanity has not grown since 1945. They have not abandoned slavery, nor fascism. As Singer says, every meat eater is a Nazi.

Even the little Hitler Youths in schools being fed meatloaf. What society does to children to indoctrinate them into slave-eating is disgusting. Put blood on their hands, so that without an iron will, they will never be able to accept the truth of what they have done, lest they be overcome with guilt for their crimes. It reminds me of the indoctrination rituals used by criminal gangs, where you have to commit a crime to be accepted. It's no wonder all these adult Nazis can't accept that slavery is wrong.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

comparing slaves, or Holocaust victims, to animals is gross and you should stop doing that

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm afraid that no matter what you say, Isaac Bashevis Singer has already said the following:

“In their behavior toward creatures, all men are Nazis. Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought.”

“As often as Herman had witnessed the slaughter of animals and fish, he always had the same thought: in their behaviour towards creatures, all men were Nazis. The smugness with which man could do with other species as he pleased exemplified the most extreme racist theories, the principle that might is right.”

“As long as people will shed the blood of innocent creatures there can be no peace, no liberty, no harmony between people. Slaughter and justice cannot dwell together.”

He has said that the cruelty he experienced at the hands of the Nazis is the same cruelty meat-eaters inflict upon animals. Do you not think he has that right, to interpret his own experiences? Would you descend from heaven to tell him the meaning of the violence he suffered, because you know it better than he? He doesn't think it's gross, he thinks it's true, and I trust him better than you, unless you tell me right now you were in a German concentration camp in 1945.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

being in a concentration camp doesn't give him any expertise on animal cognition. nor ethics. you are certainly falling for a genetic fallacy.

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's a thinking being.

Chickens in factory farms often have to be debeaked, because the stress of being packed in close quarters with hundreds of other chickens, in a tiny cage, standing in its own shit, leads to pecking at other chickens through the bars and autocannibalism. Happy chickens don't eat themselves alive. You know what self harm means in humans. It means the same thing in chickens. That eating yourself alive is better than living in this environment.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

as far as I know, chickens have never been proven to understand personal mortality. if you can point me to a cognitive-behaviorist study that shows otherwise, id be fascinated

[–] Muaddib@sopuli.xyz 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Okay here's a peer reviewed study on chicken's intelligence, emotions, understanding, and social bonds. https://doi.org/10.1007/s10071-016-1064-4

And a quote from Melissa Caughey

As a hen nears the end of her natural life, she often goes off and finds a quiet place away from the rest of the flock. During this time, the other members of the flock visit, one by one or a couple at a time. To me, they seem sad. They “chat” through verbalizations and body language. They hang their heads low to get on eye level with the dying chicken. Their coos are quiet, soft mutterings that you have to lean into to hear — chicken whispers. They move slowly and cautiously, considerate of disrupting their flock member. Some linger, while others potter around. Some sit with the dying chicken. Some keep returning. I watched some hens try to motivate Tilly by carefully scratching in the coop’s pine shavings right in front of her, as if to say “Get up, please.”
However, once they have made their peace, they leave and do not turn back. The dying chicken passes alone. The others have returned to doing what the flock does: foraging, scratching, dust bathing, and such. Life goes on.
Still, for days after a hen dies, it is not uncommon for those who were closest to her to mourn the loss of their friend. From the safety of the coop, they call out, using the same sound that means “Where are you?” when they are free-ranging in the yard and can’t find a missing member of the flock. A grieving hen avoids interacting with the flock and sits in a corner with puffed-up feathers like a chicken that feels ill.
Some mourn only temporarily, but others never seem to recover from the loss of a flockmate. It is not uncommon for a hen that was close to the departed to suddenly pass unexpectedly, for reasons unknown. She seems to slowly lose her zest for life. Often, of course, she and the deceased hen were close in age and grew up together. I believe chickens can indeed die from broken hearts or, more specifically, from the stress and depression that follow a loss.

You're a jerk. Have some empathy. How the fuck can you hear of a living being pecking itself to death in its own shit and think "dumb bird"?

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 7 months ago

mourning is not, itself, proof of understanding of personal mortality. losing a companion doesn't indicate they know they, themselves, might die.

How the fuck can you hear of a living being pecking itself to death in its own shit and think “dumb bird”?

this characterization has no basis in anything i've said.