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Troops and marines deeply troubled by LA deployment: ‘Morale is not great’ (www.theguardian.com)

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Several service members told advocacy groups they felt like pawns in a political game and assignment was unnecessary

California national guards troops and marines deployed to Los Angeles to help restore order after days of protest against the Trump administration have told friends and family members they are deeply unhappy about the assignment and worry their only meaningful role will be as pawns in a political battle they do not want to join.

Three different advocacy organisations representing military families said they had heard from dozens of affected service members who expressed discomfort about being drawn into a domestic policing operation outside their normal field of operations. The groups said they have heard no countervailing opinions.

“The sentiment across the board right now is that deploying military force against our own communities isn’t the kind of national security we signed up for,” said Sarah Streyder of the Secure Families Initiative, which represents the interests of military spouses, children and veterans.

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[–] NotBillMurray@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tell me you never served in the military without telling me you never served in the military.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think we are talking past eachother here. We can talk a lot about what an illegal order is; how there is training to disobey one, but that is talking about how things ought to be not how they actually are. For example, we all have agreed to not speed and taken training on it as well, yet it happens all too often. It is not unreasonable to believe that a soldier will follow an illegal order because they want to or there is enough coercion.

[–] tamman2000@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I would argue that the deployment orders for the 2003 Iraq war were illegal, but the people who refused to follow them are the ones who got in trouble.

[–] Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

True, but this is abandoning their duty. Now, will there be immediate consequences for following an illegal order in the current (and coming) situation? We'll have to see. Shit's weird right now. But it remains the duty of servicepeople to refuse illegal orders, and the consequences are more severe if one is ultimately found to have carried out an unlawful order. This ain't a speeding ticket - this is military prison, rank stripping, dishonourable discharge, etc.

Don't get me wrong, it takes sand and a strong certainty to refuse unlawful orders, but it's also not optional. It's a requirement, one servicepeople are aware of and is generally taken seriously.

Doesn't totally negate your point - there's a good chance we're going to see some awful shit from cowards in the ranks 'just following orders'. We can only hope they are dealt with appropriately in that case.