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There are areas and kinds of people who can live off the land, in one way or another. They do exist.
They aren't the majority or the targets here, but they're around.
The rest is accurate, but the military really is in the same boat as the rest of us.
Sure... And have you ever entered a major US city? What, are people going to "live off the land" in the middle of Central Park? Millions of New Yorkers?
Okay did you read the rest of what i said?
They can live off the land when the vast majority of the population isn't trying to do the same. Hungry human populations are worse than locust, we can absolutely destroy entire ecologies in weeks.
In the scenario they proposed the military would be controlling the means of food production. This isn't something we have to guess about, there's plenty of examples of intentional famines like what the Brits did to Bengal, and the Irish, or the Soviets in Ukraine, and unintentional like during China's cultural revolution. During those famines the military didn't starve, the common people did.
If those populations who were already subsistence farmers and hunters couldn't "live off the land" then what makes you think anyone on lemy is going to do any better?
Okay so I'm going to ignore most of what you said because i already replied to it, but:
I'm not sure they could control the means of production here. A lot of it is in and around areas that arent ideal terrain for fighting on their side.
You don't think a military force could control the supply line of some farmers? Most of which are already owned by large conglomerates that would gladly follow the orders of the government.....
Have you been to the central valley? It's just large open fields and orchards surrounded by gentle rolling hills, it's not the fucking korengal valley my dude.
Unless they're airlifting it all out. In which case it still has to fly over terrain that's not to their advantage. And we also make the missiles here.
The best option for them would be the port of oakland. Theres lots of shitty tech bros there, but you still see tributes to the best and best dressed mlm's to ever pick up a rifle, some of whom are, while far past fighting age, still kicking around a dense high tech city-and this would be for their food supply line, so it wouldn't exactly be possible to starve them out.
The farms are all staffed by people who hate them. Every single one, not just here but especially here. Even the small/mid sized farmers-and i have talked to them-hate this shit, or are literally beibg chased out of the fields, literally as i type this. The logistics lines are disproportionately worked by those same people.
Maybe they could get corn and wheat.
Or maybe you could get marines to pick apples, if you didnt give a single shit about the morale of your troops, health of your trees, abysmal recruiting numbers, already too-small military...
Why would they have to fly anything out of the valley? If the military is able to secure supply lines in war zones that have more than small arms resistance I don't think it's going to be a challenge to secure them in Cali.
Who's we? It's not like the entire country is going to support a rebellion, especially not anyone in the military industrial complex. Even if you have missiles, you don't have the weapons platforms or even know how to operate them.
What are you talking about? Why would food have to go to Oakland? You don't ship food from California to the rest of the country on boats.... Nor are some old dudes with small arms going to be able to do anything to military convoy.
Work gangs, prison labour, political prisoners, hungry people willing to capitulate to feed their families.....you know the same thing that has happened throughout history. Plus, there's plenty of conservative chuds in the valley.
Look at a map. Talk to the people in all the places you'd have to go through. Maybe if they let this die down, and start it with something other than a police action. But if this goes hot? From fed cops? No. The sierra-nevadas may as well be in afghanistan.
They wont be the hardest place in the country. That'll be between chicago or appalachia-but they will be a no-go zone for fed troops.
True, it wont be universal. I'm even seeing people in OC upset about this though, and if the admin's lost them, they've lost every major foothold with californians. Maybe downtown palo alto, for about five minutes. Maybe san diego, if they skew the demographics with a few aircraft carriers-but theres not much food between there, mexico, and the mountains.
You don't even know what a maoist 'people's war' even is, and that's likely the doctrine they'll start with. You certainly don't know who the panthers were, or the kinds of people they were. You don't know what or where you're talking about.
Chuds can't and wont do real work. Not in numbers, anyway.
Then the food all burns. Prisoners are busy.
Notoriously productive resilient and efficient with their military resources: Slave States!
Plus, that'll really help keep the populace complacent. You know where the us military recruits from? You know how overrepresented african americans are in it? They do plantations, they cut off at least half of their troops, with only terminally online white boys to replace them. It'll be the posters army, and not even the good posters.
You play too many fucking map view strategy games. Go outside, maybe read a book. Or at least play the more complicated map games.
I used to live in the Western foothills of the valley..... it's mostly empty rolling hills dude.
The logistics of getting food to stores is complex and it really wouldn't take much but some instability to cause major food insecurity in the majority of the country.
I think you are overestimating the amount of people who would transition from being upset to taking up arms against the government. Most people barely pay attention to politics.
Lol, the CCP were fighting with much more than just small arms. They and the kmt were both supplied by the US and the Soviets against the Japanese.
The Black Panthers never went to war with a military..... Fred Hampton was murdered by regular cops with pistols shotguns and rifles.
Just because I don't buy into your delusion that all of California is going to rise up and defeat aircraft carriers with som Glock and some semi auto rifles, doesn't mean I don't know about leftist revolutions.
Chuds already manage the farms and ranches in Cali.
Yes, because there's no historical evidence of militant police states being able to feed themselves......
Lol, dude. You are projecting.... You sound exactly like all the come and take it right winged chuds who thinks they're going to turn into Rambo over night.
I have lived all over the state. I know it pretty well. I don't think you do.
Yeah. That's what i said. I didn't say we would stay healthy, i said they couldn't starve the people without going hungry themselves. Im sure they could just burn it all. Might not even take two people, with enough gear. It is that season, after all.
Yeah they own stuff. But i buy my groceries from these peoples' families, and they arent all cool with this. Also, fuck who owns it, who do you think does the labor?
No. But you just kind of ignored everything i said so you could say something technically true and put it where a response to me would go.
Don't get me started.
So i got you?
Again, projecting....
Lol, shifting the goal post ....your original claim was that people in certain areas would be fine living off the land if the government theoretically cut off the food supply. You then shifted the argument to the government cannot shut off the food supply. You then went into some weird delusional fantasy that Californians would rise up and take down aircraft carriers with missiles.
Aren't cool with isn't the same as willing to indulge your weird ass fantasy land where they become freedom fighters.
Yes some people are willing to do violence to preserve their rights, but most people are just trying to live their lives and fly under the radar. Which is why history is filled with tragedy and injustice.
What part did I ignore? You brought up incorrect facts about the CCP and the Black Panthers, which I addressed accurately.
I just think you like to speak before you think. We're not in a romantic novel, life is hard and the good guys don't always win. I'm not trying to discourage you, I'm just trying to temper your optimism with the reality of what happens to the vast majority of revolutionary forces.
You were the one who brought it up?
So you don't know what projection is?