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[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Censorship of speech is a powerful tool. Why, if you have the true conviction of your beliefs, would you fight with one hand behind your back?

Yes, but have you considered the outcome of everyone doing this?

Moreover, I’ve seen no evidence in my lifetime that letting my ideological opponents speak leads to positive results.

Mmmmm, yes. All ideological opponents should be silenced. This is clearly the way.

Seriously, if this is what you believe then you are clearly stating that you have no interest in a Free Society. You are literally placing yourself in the same group with every other Tyrant, Authoritarian, and Fascists who needs to be resisted.

Free Societies must tolerate dissent, it is a foundational requirement.

[–] regul@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My ideological opponents are already silencing speech. I gain nothing by ceding that tool solely to them.

As long as fascists exist they must be silenced. When they seize power, they will not do you the courtesy of allowing you to speak just because you let them. It's naive to think otherwise.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

My ideological opponents are already silencing speech.

Uh huh. I can fire up Social Media and find endless content openly discussing the entire spectrum of Political,Cultural, and Economic beliefs. Nearly all of that is openly discussed on Mainstream Media as well. You aren't being silenced.

As long as fascists exist they must be silenced.

Define "fascist".

When they seize power, they will not do you the courtesy of allowing you to speak...

Which is precisely what you yourself are proposing. Congratulations, you are rubbing elbows with the very people you claim to despise.

If you do not tolerate dissent then you are ethically and morally inferior.

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, the classic "lOOk aT tHE TOlEraNt LEfT" argument.

Or is it maybe this one?
Image showing a stick figure saying they want to destroy a group of people, another saying they want to stop the first by any means, and a third claiming they're exactly the same.

Or maybe it's both. Ya know, because they're the same argument. This exact argument has taken so many forms in the past decade, and it's always founded on the same fallacy. It's a false equivalency.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the classic “lOOk aT tHE TOlEraNt LEfT” argument.

The person I was replying too didn't mention Left or Right and neither did I.

It’s a false equivalency.

Silencing your ideological opponents is ethically and morally inferior and I don't care what your supposed motivation is.

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The person I was replying too didn't mention Left or Right and neither did I.

Question: are you really this dense, or just acting in bad faith?

Silencing your ideological opponents is ethically and morally inferior and I don't care what your supposed motivation is.

"I want to eliminate all of insert racial or religious slur."

"That's bad."

"I want to stop that person from saying and doing that."

"That's exactly as bad.*