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I wonder how this will work in practice since most of the time if you kill someone under the influence your life is basically over. Not exactly going to be able to pay a percent of your earnings while you are in jail.
I have an aunt with six DUIs. After the second, they all become felonies, which are supposed to be 2 years at least in jail. I don't think she's ever spent more than a day in jail. Intoxication manslaughter may be worse, but the courts treat alcohol related incidents with kid gloves a LOT of the time.
Is it Wisconsin? People up there get like 16.
Can confirm, from northern Wisconsin. Definitely have seen people with 10+
Can confirm. I'm in southeastern Wisconsin, and DUIs are a normal part of life for many people here. The punishments for DUIs and reckless driving are a joke in this state.
My brother spent 3 seperate days in jail for 5 drunk driving charges.
I mean he's my brother, but lock that idiot up for a while longer, at least.
nah, cyclist here. people "walk" on vehicular manslaughter all the time. it's super fucked up. commonly a suspended sentence is issued.
Gee that is just fucking peachy.
Wait until you hear how many people are driving without a license at all.
Vehicular manslaughter !== Killing someone by drunk driving. Drunk driving is clear negligence, hitting someone entirely on accident shouldn't ruin two lives. In those articles it doesn't say anything about the driver being drunk
criminal negligence causing death is manslaughter.
Yes for drunk driving- I agree. My issue is saying that someones life being ruined if they weren't impaired and made what was a genuine mistake.
This guy was on drugs and frustrated because a "slow driver" ahead of him
https://thewest.com.au/news/court-justice/jason-dean-velda-mandurah-man-avoids-immediate-prison-time-for-killing-cyclist-in-lakes-road-crash-c-11667999
Ah ok than should do jail time.
i 100% agree with you and 200% disagree with the judge and legal system who let him walk
It's a combination of negligence and vehicular manslaughter.
Why? Was the victim entirely innocent? Did it result in permanent injury or death of the victim(s)? Would it have been less dangerous if the one who produced the accident did not drive a car? Was the driver incapacitated by alcohol/drugs/anything else? If the answer to ANY of those is "yes", then it should very fucking well ruin two lives. And if the driver had a license, the entire system that granted them the responsibility of handling a few tons of metal should be considered accomplices until they can fucking prove otherwise.
Or at least have the decency to let the victim's family decide, don't take it upon yourself to just casually forgive a mistake if it had no impact on you.
So if a person runs and appears out of nowhere in front of a moving car and it results in them being hit, the driver's life should be ruined? It's called accident for a reason, nobody wanted it.
Yeah, I can't count the number of times I've seen a cyclist blow through a stop sign onto through an intersection where one road doesn't have a stop sign.
It's one of the many benefits of cycling. You get perfect visibility of the driver's anguished expression while they wait in traffic. Unfortunately, the cyclist pays the ultimate price when the driver makes a mistake like having one too many drinky poos at the office party and getting behind the wheel.
No? If you robbed me I shouldn't be able to decide your sentence.
I strongly disagree with that, it is unfair to expect people to be infallible, obviously being under the influence is easy to avoid, and so is negligent. But say a mom's driving and one of her kids stands up and starts doing something distracting just as a cyclist blows through a stop sign? Or one of many million more possible scenarios.
This creates an incentive to let high earners:wealthy people :off the hook for jail time since they will have to earn money to pay for the support. This of course won’t apply to lower earners which will go to jail.