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I'm not about to @ people for having kids, but I have to say that in my experience, the whole idea is nothing but a conceit. People want kids for bad reasons. There's really no sensible reason to have a child in the human world. Fine, go have kids, but don't come back years later upset your kid is rebelling or not following your beliefs or doing bad things or not following in your footsteps or listening to your advice or whatever the fuck. You basically played a slot machine with no jackpot.
Jesus Christ what a depressing take.
I have two kids, and I had them so that I could raise good, caring people to continue society, and because I enjoy being able to nurture them to reach whatever goals they want.
I want my kids to rebel. I want my kids to think for themselves. I'm an atheist, and my kid wanted to learn about Christianity, so I took them to church. I don't need my kid to "follow in my footsteps," I want them to do whatever they find fulfilling.
The best part of parenting is not knowing what to expect and watching what they'll grow into. You're right, to a degree, about the slot machine, but you're wrong about there being no jackpot.
But if you get no enjoyment from that, by all means, don't have kids. In fact, if you're on the fence or unsure, don't have kids. The default should absolutely be no kids unless you're really sure that's what you want.
If you think most people who have kids have that expectation, you're lucky.
What if your kid ends up not growing into anything? Becoming a neckbeard on fortnite and minecraft all day?
What if your kid has three kids before she's 21 and keeps ending up with deadbeat guys and living in seedy apartments and living off SNAP?
And if they dont?
Guy these things are just part of the rich tapestry of life.
I'm certain that many of my and your ancestors were the contemporary equivalent of fortnight neckbeards.
I don't need my kids to win parenthood for me.
Just because you struggle to have a normal relationship, doesnt mean we all can't.
Do people often blame you for their kids doing those things?
People might tell you about it because... you know... maybe they think you're a friend or maybe they're just venting or maybe they're making small talk.
Parents often make the mistake of thinking everyone understands what it's like. They're trying to find common ground by sharing those struggles.
If you don't like it, just channel the conversation to something you do like. That said, sometimes it's just good to let people vent. People like talking about their kids, and it's a sneaky way to ingratiate yourself to them.
Think of it more like someone complaining that they lost money on crypto trading.
It's very Billy Crystal SNL "oh I hate when that happens"
Sure ok.
Of course its fine to dislike engaging with someone who complains about crypto or kids, but making a judgement on someone's reasoning for having kids is a whole other thing.
Having kids doesn't stack up for you. Totally fine.
However, asserting that your own reasons apply to everyone else is arrogant.
I'm not even talking about good parents vs bad parents. I'm talking about the reasons people have kids. What is the positive reason to have children? I can't think of one that isn't a bad prediction, like wanting to bring a good person into the world. It's not like raising children is a fun fair either. So it's rewarding? Well first of all that's selfish, second of all that's something that people apply to literally every difficult situation they manage to get through.
So what's the utilitarian reason for having kids? They're all either selfish or prideful. Even if you're a good parent.
Everyone is like "no you're wrong" but I'm not seeing any actual counter arguments or examples of reasons to have kids that aren't ultimately self-interested and/or bad speculation.