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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And people say I'm somehow selfish or pathetic for not wanting to give any possible kids an undue burden, even assuming they are a white cis-male able-bodied person, the exact thing a fascist wants in this nation.

It's just foolish or genuinely spiteful to have kids in this time. Even if you can give them a good childhood, healthy, happy, nothing wrong with em at all, you can't fix the climate.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I've never thought that anyone was selfish or pathetic for choosing not to have kids, but it's odd to suggest that it's foolish or spiteful to have kids now.

Kids now will face climate change, but their lives will be better than the vast majority of their ancestors. Imagine if your ancestors decided not to have children because they were worried about food insecurity or warring tribes or sabre-toothed tigers.

[–] dontbelasagne@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The earth would be in much better shape if my ancestors decided not to have any children

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago

That's indisputable.

However I think you can understand why others like myself would prefer that humankind has existed and continues to do so.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Lol yeah, cuz an unlivable planet is pretty much the same as a predator.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Suggesting the planet will be "unlivable" is hyperbole. Maybe read the article.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I did. Did you? The authors were discussing a best-case-scenario and weren't factoring in the climate tipping point, resource wars, or any of the social effects of broadspread climate change, and even then the conclusions are pretty fucking stark. But do go on about natural predators and people fighting each other with sticks.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Lol. Go pretend to have an argument somewhere else, bud

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 9 months ago
[–] socsa@piefed.social 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If there was a meteor about to destroy all life within a year, bringing kids into that would be widely acknowledged as unethical. Many people believe that doesn't change just because the timeframe is longer.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 months ago

There is no existential threat like a meteor though.

Sure, climate change is a big deal. It's going to cause famine and war. We need to take action to address it both in the short, medium, and long term.

However, climate change is not going to make earth uninhabitable.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, the environment being fucked, causing issues with water, weather, crops, animals, is exactly the same as if you wondered off, you might have been attacked by an animal.

Dumbest take possible. Don't have kids, you'll spread your stupidity and doom them to the climate change holocaust.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago

I'm not suggesting that tigers are the same as climate change.

Merely pointing out that despite the challenges presented by climate change kids today will enjoy a must better lifestyle than almost all of their ancestors.