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[–] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm missing something about ohulancutash's comments. Everybody's piling on the downvotes, but I'm can't find the part where he made any sort of 'asinine “overstaying in the country” point' in the first place. He didn't even use the word "overstay," just "stay." Moreover, the answer he gave about how it's not so easy as the band deciding to "just do the European tour and then stay in Europe" because immigration laws are thing is correct.

So what justified the downvotes and your hostile tone?

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Sure. His first comment excused this brutal US behavior by saying "Europe has immigration laws too," implying what the US just did to a 35 yr legal, green card holding US resident was fine and ordinary.

His second comment ignored me asking about how Europe treats immigrants and answered a different question by saying that "they can't just stay in Europe."

This has almost nothing to do with what happened to this man. He has been detained in his legal country of residence, his home of 35 years, for no crime. He was detained while literally leaving the country, something that you would expect immigration would want if they didn't want him here.

At no point did he "stay too long" in the US as that isn't possible. Even if he somehow could, which he could not, he was still literally leaving.

So this case is nothing like European laws having to do with overstaying a visa. Bringing it up in a "duh guys, it's just like the laws everywhere else" way is a disingenuous deflection from the fact that no, it is not. That is why they are being downvoted.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 7 points 11 months ago

I think you (and everyone else) have lost the thread, mate. He was replying directly to the question "why can't they just stay in Europe." The answer is "Europe had immigration laws."

I don't see anything wrong with this exchange.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

His second comment ignored me asking about how Europe treats immigrants and answered a different question by saying that “they can’t just stay in Europe.”

It answered the question he originally replied to, which seems like a pretty reasonable response that charitably assumed you just didn't understand him the first time, instead of attacking him (for an offense you ascribed to him "implying" and that he didn't actually say) as you were actually trying to do.