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The DNC cited a procedural concern, but Hogg said it is “impossible to ignore the broader context” of his criticisms.

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[–] JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago (13 children)

So where, pray tell, do the progressive votes go?

Primary them sure. Try and snag it back. But you won't turn your next vote red. You know that. And they know that. And I sure as fuck won't do it either. The DNC can rot. But...

You can and should blame the two party system sure. But if you don't primary and win. Well. We've seen that before again and again.

I'm a progressive that will vote blue again. Reluctantly. Emphatically so. But I will.

The posturing of principals means nothing in our political reality. And it pisses me off. But reality doesn't care about your feelings.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Primary them sure.

Democratic primaries are kabuki. Trying to oust Hogg is just the latest demonstration.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago (6 children)

If democrats want our votes, it's time for them to start earning them.

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

But reality doesn't care about your feelings.

Yeah so... uh... That kinda goes both ways. I've made this argument before so I'm just gonna copy paste it, but lemme just...

Have you ever heard of gambler's ruin? It's the name of a few different results in statistics, but the one we want is this:

In statistics, gambler's ruin is the fact that a gambler playing a game with negative expected value will eventually go bankrupt, regardless of their betting system.

Now in modern US elections, does your bet have a positive or negative expected value for democracy? Is America becoming more or less of a democracy every election on average? Apply the theorem above to your answer and see what you get.

To change the inevitable result, which is fascism in the United States, you have to change the game in some way, and primarying incumbents and voting blue no matter who is what progressives are already doing.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

This exactly. I have voted for every progressive candidate that has come up on the ballot. And yet every single time the middle of the road Democrat wins. Because that's where the DNC puts the money. And in the general I always vote for whatever Democrat has won the primary. And quite frankly I always feel sick that I voted for somebody that I wouldn't vote for if I had a better choice.

So I think I'm going to choose not to vote in the general if the progressive I vote for doesn't win. I'm tired of a democratic party that is more interested in protecting their position than actually doing their job.

[–] Mister_Hangman@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Exactly this. Stop giving the DNC money. Whenever you can send the message to the officials. No progressive platform and change? No removal of incumbents? No money. No vote.

It isn’t _just _ on us to do something. If they too don’t wanna see the fascists win, then it’s time for them to eat humble pie and realize their policies and their positions for the past 30-40 years brought this pig to prom. They have to pass the torch.

Fascism might be defeated again but it will come at the cost of neoliberalism finally dying as well. There’s very little options of anything else working.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Stop giving the DNC money.

Nobody here gives the DNC any money. I agree that would be stupid because there are much better choices. Most of us don't give much money to politicians and usually only to a specific candidate. But if I was going to right now, I would funnel that money thru people like Sanders or AOC or Hoggs.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think you should still vote just to show you're an active voter that they failed to court, but vote for independents, 3rd party, write in, whatever.

Honestly, I think the only solution for progressives is to elect enough independents that mathematically, while a minority, MUST be courted by the establishment parties in order to secure their legislation. Though that won't do anything for legislation that both establishment parties fully agree on, that'll still get rammed through.

But what are we even talking about? These are all legal constructs. We're living post rule of law now. Dictator just flat ignoring courts.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 5 points 4 months ago

Yeah, that's basically the situation in Australia. The crossbench is needed to pass anything in the Senate, but Liberals and Labour routinely join forces to pass some truly disgusting shit (most recently an election reform that would reduce funding to the smaller parties, and a takeover of one of the biggest unions in the country).

[–] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Like another poster said casting a blank ballet sends much more of a message than not voting at all.

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[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

The DNC needs to get edgier

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 14 points 4 months ago (16 children)

I no longer vote for neoliberals or for folks who receive aipac money.

Period.

I won’t vote for a republican either.

If they want my vote they have to support policies that I do.

Period.

Blue no matter who is how we got here.

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[–] mrcleanup@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Honestly, maybe it's time for progressives to take over the Republican party primary and start moving them left .

[–] MisanthropiCynic@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

They basically were until the tea party came in and yanked them back

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I think we need a different color to vote for. Definitely not green, because that party is for shit. But Democrats are functionally useless at this point.

I think I would rather throw my vote away on somebody who challenges the status quo in a progressive way under the Democratic socialist party (or just the plain socialist party) rather than vote for some goddamn Democrat who's going to uselessly wring their hands and then go home to their million dollar mansion and cry about how unfair people are being to their useless ass.

Voting blue hasn't helped cause they think it's your only option so they don't have to actually do anything to earn your vote other than being "not a Republican".

FUCK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

I'M NOT VOTING FOR ANOTHER MODERATE ASSHOLE

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[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

The dnc are trying to be "business folk" when their constituents want them to be rebels

[–] Zenith@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

No where they sit their ass at home so the red hats don’t come for us for voting for dems who won’t even do a fucking thing to combat this. If I’m going to go on record as being against the regime it better be for a good reason, and this ain’t it

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Vote third party, it's the only way to end the Duopoly.

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