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Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich reiterates call for 'hundreds of thousands' of Palestinians to be forcibly displaced from Gaza

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[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's not disinformation that Joe Biden enabled and aided the Genocide of Palestinians. Trump doing the same doesn't rewrite history.

Kamala could have gotten all those voters if she just took a stand against genocide.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I think the thinking was that turning against Israel more publicly would have mostly garnered more entirely worthless votes in states that are already blue and risked losing at risk rust belt states.

If those voters would have been a bit smarter they could have threatened to stay home but actually voted against fascism then continued to petition the incoming regime which unlike Trump isn't actually for genocide. Now there is a good chance for most of those folks you want to save being dead when its possible to reverse course IF its possible to reverse course and we don't have a canceled election and a civil war thereafter.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And they lost with that strategy. So their thinking was clearly wrong, unless they planned to lose.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not clear the alternative strategy would have helped AT ALL. A very large portion of Americans actually believed that Trump would either help the economy or help the position of white folks and Christians. Everything else was a side show. That is why they elected him. Things were going pretty good economically before the pandemic and white Christians. That is why we elected essentially Hitler because we are stupid bigots.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Its absolutely clear. If Harris had acknowledging the genocide about 2 weeks before the election would have won over youth, the left, and muslims, which is a vastly larger voting group than the 80% of jewish people who support israel-- or even all jewish voters. Jewish voters are a tiny group-- even just muslim voters are a larger group. Jewish voters arent a compelling voter group, they are a compelling funding group.

But two weeks before the election Harris could have weathered the funding downturn. Her husband would have left her, but no great loss there. Harris could have won.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think the thinking was that turning against Israel more publicly would have mostly garnered more entirely worthless votes in states that are already blue and risked losing at risk rust belt states

That's just not true though. It would have helped across the board but especially in critical swing states

Here Are 34 Polls That Show A Ceasefire & Weapons Embargo Help Kamala Win

Kamala Would Have Won With A Weapons Embargo

The blame is entirely on the campaign for chosing to ignore and even go against those voters instead of make concessions to gain as much votes as possible. They chose to prioritize continuing the genocide over winning against Trump.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world -2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Polls have been close not only wildly inaccurate but so incredibly spread out that you could find a few to support literally anyone position after the fact.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

It is very very hard to predict who is going to win even when elections that aren't all that close. Asking people how they would behave especially people who didn't even bother to vote is fraught. People who aren't happy about something are apt to say they would do something about it but they showed more about how motivated they are by not even bothering to show up in actual reality. I think anyone who tells you if you did this they would have voted for you is quite frankly full of shit.

White people voted for Trump because they believed they would be privileged. Men voted for him because they believed they would be privileged. Conservatives voted for him because he would appoint conservative judges Financially ignorant people voted for him because he would cut their taxes and encourage business. Republican's voted for him because him being a Republican was far more important than any other factor. Most people who call themselves independent flatter themselves by saying so and in fact vote Red or Blue 95-99% of the time. Those who lean red were never going to vote for a non-white women running under the blue ticket.

None of these factors had anything to do with Israel or Gaza. People in America are selfish and self centered they were never going to vote differently based on Gaza.

[–] IttihadChe@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

They were actually for genocide. That's why they partook in an ongoing genocide for over a year. Your entire premise is wrong.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

in the grand scheme of voting issues, foreign policy isnt on voters top priority(maybe for michiganers, and whitmers wierdly hanging out with trump awful lot lately), is domestic issues unfortunately. every president had support israel and never once was it the forefront as election issue, until trump wanted to be in power again the MSM started to post pro-israeli propaganda through the airwaves, plus russia early on was fueling the "i am not voting dems for the first ime over this" protests.