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Stop dividing the left! (lemmy.ml)
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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 9 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Electoral reform not only doesn't address root causes, it doesn't even treat the symptoms. It hasn't prevented australia or japan from having far right governments, hasn't returned land to indigenous peoples, hasn't done anything against inequality, hasn't empowered poorer peoples. All it does is make the political bribery slightly more expensive.

At a deeper level, representative elections always result in an oligarchy. The wealthy / economically dominant classes are the only ones who have enough money / prestige to finance their campaigns and win the popularity contest. It makes any political system based on elections nothing more than political theatre.

This is basic stuff even the ancient greeks knew, and communists learned through trial and error, yet liberals in the 21st century can't wrap their heads around it.

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

All it does is make the political bribery slightly more expensive.

I disagree, i think it makes it possible for 3rd parties to succeed, maybe not in practice, but at least theoretically, which is a worthwhile change. But let's grant that that's all it does... that's still a good thing and not worth opposing.

At a deeper level, representative elections always result in an oligarchy. The wealthy / economically dominant classes are the only ones who have enough money / prestige to finance their campaigns and win the popularity contest. It makes any political system based on elections nothing more than political theatre.

Yup, I agree with all this, but i don't see it as a reason to oppose better election systems.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I disagree, i think it makes it possible for 3rd parties to succeed, maybe not in practice, but at least theoretically, which is a worthwhile change.

Let me give you example i know, Poland. It have on the face value much better electoral system than USA nad lo and behold, 17 political parties and 49 independents got elected to sejm! But each and every single one of them is neoliberal and EU and or/US bootlicker, there was nobody else to choose except open nazis. Dessalines is completely right.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Better then more then half being fascists

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

They are all fascist, just not very scratched yet, but they all vote for supporting the neobanderites.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 hours ago

Lol the neobanderites huh, sounds like exactly what Russia would say, "odd."

Preventing Russia from shamelessly land grabbing Ukraine isn't "supporting neoanderites"